Seat Navigation System Plus = VW Discovery Nav Pro -cross plus and pro out for no nav

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I asked this question as I ponder whether to start converting my music library on the basis that it can't play FLAC. However the Discovery Nav Pro does with what appears to be the same spec albeit Seat's apparent typo of calling SSD HD in their Ateca materiel. The spare 10 GB free for local use is the same so I'm sort of expecting the model to be the same if you order the Seat Navigation System Plus.

Hints and wrinkles can be found on a VW Forumn google "Big Favor! 2016 FLAC Support!" for getting the materiel in.

Thinks I'm going to be relaxed now about worrying about whether FLAC will play unless someone tells me otherwise. The thought of going through my music collection converting was daunting. This might not be the case if it's not the "Plus" system but any puffs of smoke to inform would be good for any one I'm sure. I've seen the album art discussions on other threads but the ability to play FLAC isn't so common. You put your music on a big SD card.

I should say FLAC doesn't play on the non pro so ditto for the Seat offering if these rules apply to the lower spec model. POI import can be done on the pro, not on the non pro so I've read. If FLAC and POIs are important then it's the Plus including the speaker setup. I did read I think on the SeatCupra Leon site that FLAC played on connected devices but not SD for the non plus which I assume is on the fly transcoding in the device.

MIB-II is the key word. Some details here:

http://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/get-an-early-look-at-volkswagens-2016-dashboard-tech/

The media control apps seems useful. I see the VW one is on the Android PlayStore. VW Media Control. Massive 170 MB app. Begs the question of whether this will work with the Seat unit or whether they are working on similar. Basically the car becomes the server and you connect to it by WiFi. The apps video shows the process and the app shows how you can send conract and cakandar destinations to the cars sat navigation. Wonder if Seat are getting this.

I should say that UK VW owners of this unit don't seem to be getting the model that takes a SIM and thus don't seem to get the media control app to work as I can see. Tied up with Car Net not supported in the UK.

Degrees, minutes and seconds seem to be the adhoc coordinate method of input rather than standard WSG84 decimal which entails conversion unless anyone tells me otherwise, asked Leon Mk 3 users on the other area. Skoda users are muttering about this as well. There are apps to convert but you would have thought this functionality would have been built in.

The Seat video at 1:34 shows the cross hair input and one suspects that you bash in the coordinate boxes if you have your own:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x32b2i9

Bashing in the boxes obviously means you are restricted to Degrees, minutes and seconds [DMS] - GPS Convertor for Android plus the pay version without adds can convert the standard WSG84 to DMS and back.

There was a lack of manuals online that can be accessed for the Seat Navigation System although the Skoda Columbus can be found online which is the same headend with the dreaded thumb wheel setting for DMS (least I believe so)

http://www.skoda-auto.com/en/mini-a...OwnersManualEditionDate=11-2015#!pageId=00188

I think that is basically your lot. So you have a choice of doing a WSG84 to DMS conversion then rotating the wheels to set the coordinates or you can juggle your location on Google Earth / Maps on your own handheld device and move the cross hair to match where you want to go which I use to do with Japanese cars in Japan until I discovered Navicon. Hopefully this has been sorted out to WSG84 - any proud Leon Mk3 owners to confirm ?. I think not.

You can import VCards via an SD card for destinations in an esoteric format but when you are on holiday you don't really want to lug around a notebook / laptop to write an SD card to convert your handheld navigation derived coordinates for hiking car parks etc into the cars satnav system. Most published coordinates are in WSG84 so it's a pitty the VW group don't sort this one out.

BTW the rest of the Skoda infotainment manual gives a flavour of how the Seat Ateca headend works. Worth a look. How the top camera picks up speed signs and displays them etc.

OK we now have the PDF manuals available on the thread so you can examine in detail. The two manuals, Plus and non Plus confirm that Flac is documented to play only on the Plus, doesn't mention Flac in the other. Had a play with a standard Cupra headend today, not Pro, that did play Flac As far as entering coordinates as GPS the Seat manuals don't make this clear as to the format. On the New Tiguan it is Degrees, Minutes and Seconds (DMS) which necessitates your own coordinate conversion from standard decimal WGS84 to this more non standard notation (see GPS converter on the playstore). Still researching this aspect on the Ateca. Cordinates can only be entered on the Pro, the cross hair method is used on both for browsing the map. As for POI import (speed cameras and the like) the same goes, the Plus allows you to do it, the non plus doesn't. The official title of the non plus is Media System Touch / Colour. The upshot is if you want a fully fledged navigation system then it has to be the Pro. The non pro has comprises which might be liveable with but annoying for anyone use to sat navigation.

OK 2. Had a play with the satnav Plus version in a demo Ateca last week doing the rounds of dealers at the minute. POI input is via the cross hair method / thumb wheel in DMS which is a bit of a pain if you have the cordinates in the standard decimal form. You can use a conversion app but long winded if you are planning a hike and want to find a car park which you have in the decimal form. Normally I take the coordinates off a hiking app, re-enter them into a car satnav app, now you would take them off the app (or other published source) re-enter them into a conversion app, then from there into the car.
 
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Further research in 2017 on the unit:

MIB2 under the hood

For the technically minded a couple of links to the internal architecture of the infotainment system of the Ateca, MIB2, common across VW group:

https://www.audi-mediacenter.com/en/audi-at-the-ces-2016-5294/audi-connect-and-infotainment-5298

https://www.audiusa.com/newsroom/ne...technology-virtual-cockpit-connected-car-expo

The MIB2 (MIB = modular infotainment platform) represents the foundation for Audi infotainment. It utilizes an NVIDIA T30 processor, a quad core chip of the Tegra 3 series, and it went into production in summer 2014. With a clock speed of over 1 GHz and a fast graphics card, it can drive two displays. The Tegra 30 processor works together with a 3D graphics program from the specialist company Rightware to display three-dimensional images.

The new Audi MIB-2 uses the NVIDIA Tegra 30 system on chip, driven by a quad-core processor from the NVIDIA Tegra 3 series, for fast performance, higher resolution graphics and an upgradable platform. As more sophisticated technology becomes available, the highly flexible Audi MIB-2 platform will allow owners to simply upgrade their software for improved online, media, voice command, navigation and telephony functions.

With double the processor performance and a faster graphics processing unit, it can drive two displays simultaneously, one in the center stack and one in the instrument cluster display. The T30 graphics processor empowers a virtual 3D platform and a completely redesigned user interface to allow Audi to implement and display a full three-dimensional graphical user experience in its vehicles.

Audi Virtual Cockpit and zFAS

Audi and NVIDIA are also showcasing the industry’s first virtual cockpit – an entirely digital dashboard that will be featured in the all-new 2016 Audi TT, which makes its North American auto show debut in Los Angeles this week. The virtual cockpit revolutionizes the concept of a driver-centric experience by replacing the instrument cluster with a central, digital unit. It combines the functions of traditional gauges with the central MMI monitor in one unique, 12.3-inch TFT display with superb 3D graphics and brilliant clarity. A quad-core Tegra 30 processor from NVIDIA capable of rendering up to 60 frames per second ensures that the needles of the speedometer, rev counter and navigation are displayed with absolute precision.


That's basically it as implemented in its two screen design in the Ateca and the fancy 12.3" in some other VW models.

MIB2 units are made by a very well known German company, Technisat which in 2016 the car business was sold to the Chinease company Joyson and Preh

https://translate.google.co.uk/tran.../de_DE/Presse/10-10/?pressID=1175&prev=search

TechniSat Automotive

The management of TechniSat decided in 1997 to set up the TechniSat Automotive business unit. In the spring of 1998 the production of the Autoradios Werra1 developed in Dresden.

In 2000, TechniSat was granted approval as Tier 1 supplier for the automotive industry. In the same year the production of autoradios for the automotive industry begins in the Thuringia factory.

In 2007, TechniSat started production of its first Navi Dresden 1 navigation radio, also developed in Dresden. The first radio navigation system for the automotive industry was produced and delivered in 2010.

In the summer of 2011 TechniSat Automotive received the Volkswagen Group Award in Copenhagen. In December 2011, TechniSat Automotive received the order from the Volkswagen Group to develop the MIB2 system (multimedia infotainment kit). During the development phase, TechniSat Automotive also received production orders for a total of approximately 50 different variants. The devices can use various navigation satellite systems. For the European market, there is alternatively digital radio DAB + and for the US market the radio satellite system XM-Sirius.

The TechniSat automotive equipment development started with 34 employees. In the meantime 410 developers are working there. The entire automotive sector employs around 1200 people.


The other units are manufacturered by Delphi, Texas Instruments chips are used

http://newscenter.ti.com/2016-02-23...power-Volkswagens-MIB-II-infotainment-systems

The unit itself runs under QNX

http://www.qnx.com/content/qnx/en/solutions/industries/automotive/

Update. The standard infotainment system is manufactured by Technisat whilst the Plus is made by Harman.
 
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