KO3S Whats true highest bhp figures ?

robdf2 · Dec 7, 2007

Hi guys , post from time to time when i have a question and it so happens i have 1 now.
I have 03 cupra 180bhp with Revo map and want a little bit more power (doesnt everyone?)

So got the thought process going

Golf 1.8t KO3 Turbo (150 BHP FROM FACTORY) after Revo = 207 bhp

Leon 1.8t KO3S Turbo (180 BHP FROM FACTORY) after REVO = 207bhp

As i believe it the KO3S is bigger and can achieve higher BHP figures?

so if the ko3 on the golf can add 50 bhp after a remap can the ko3s do the same?
i had a look around the MKIV formums and found these threads with guys saying they achieving 230 bhp and higher no problem after they upgrade to a ko3s
Thread here : http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/thread/738941.aspx

Just would like to know your thoughts before i pursue spending my hard earned

and what are real figures that you could achieve to be reliable in the real world?

The MoffMeister · Dec 7, 2007

most cars see max about 230 or so

for a stage 1 you'll prob get 210 then stage 2 will max it out at around the 230

Punch IT! · Dec 7, 2007

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Just would like to know your thoughts before i pursue spending my hard earned

and what are real figures that you could achieve to be reliable in the real world?[/QUOTE]

Hi there!

first of all it does not really matter what BHP you are getting as long as its fast when you drive it.! The BHP figures will always tend to change on different days or different Rolling road garages.

I produced 244BHP on my KO3s on stage 1 remap but i do have very good mods to help push the figures up! (see my signature) I took it to power engineering in middlesex and they test Skylines, evos, Focus, Audi's, Seat's all day long and were very professional. Now even tho i acheived these figures i may not on another day.

So as long as you can feel the power difference that is all that matters not figures really!

The MoffMeister · Dec 7, 2007

also depends on the rollers in whcih you use

DPJ · Dec 7, 2007

I think anything over 235 bhp is heading into the realms of fantasy.........

Punch IT! · Dec 7, 2007

DPJ said:
I think anything over 235 bhp is heading into the realms of fantasy.........

Then fastasy it is! lol :sleeping:

BCM · Dec 7, 2007

Oh, theres the can of worms opened!
My lil bros car Ibiza K03s with all the bit, S3 pump, downpipe, racecat, bla bla, done by jabba rolling roaded at 227bhp @ Dastek, Jabba claimed it to be 251!

corradophil · Dec 7, 2007

A pre 2000 K03 Mk4 Golf maps to 190bhp according to Revo.
A post 2000 K03s Mk4 Golf has the AUM engine which is basically the same as the AUQ in most LCs, but with only 150bhp. This maps to 207bhp, the same as an LC.

With either Turbo, I would have thought the next stage is perfomance Exhaust and cat.

Punch IT! · Dec 7, 2007

Phil C said:
A pre 2000 K03 Mk4 Golf maps to 190bhp according to Revo.
A post 2000 K03s Mk4 Golf has the AUM engine which is basically the same as the AUQ in most LCs, but with only 150bhp. This maps to 207bhp, the same as an LC.

With either Turbo, I would have thought the next stage is perfomance Exhaust and cat.

Yes but its all money at the end of the day! Just for a little extra BHP.

Why not just chuck out the seats, spare tyre, lose some weight and after the remap it'll feel like 300BHP+!!

bcstudent · Dec 7, 2007

My 180 LC made 196bhp with a full Piper exhaust and a Carbonio intake - not beyond the realms of belief - and 242bhp on the same dyno a week later after a stage two C-C remap and Forge TIP.

I don't think the mid 240s is an unrealistic figure. The K03S is capable of about 20 PSI after all.

Spud_G40 · Dec 7, 2007

DPJ said:
I think anything over 235 bhp is heading into the realms of fantasy.........

Maybe, but it depends on how its mapped and what mods you have. My K03S'd ibiza once custom mapped at star made 247bhp. But its quite a progressive map so seems to be more top endish which is maybe the reason for the higher hp figure and only 234lb/ft of torque.

You'll need a good exhaust, FMIC setup etc etc to take it up to 220+

The MoffMeister · Dec 7, 2007

this will go on for ages it depends on the rollers and tuners but the turbo may hold 20psi but doesnt mean it keeps that

bcstudent · Dec 7, 2007

The MoffMeister said:
the turbo may hold 20psi but doesnt mean it keeps that

Mine does hold 20 PSI...well, until just over 5000rpm anyway. It peaks at somewhere around 22.

It definitely depends on the dyno, which is why I made sure I had before and after runs. Obviously, peak numbers mean very little...but it's nice to see it in black and white

robdf2 · Dec 7, 2007

thanks for the replys,

at least its nice to know that there is perhaps another 20 or so bhp still to be gained from a little spend , im happy to do that , just didnt want to spend out more when the improvements would be so little and not really achievable.

I do agree about thr rolling road lottery , i tried not to include that in my post so the can of worms lid would only open a little lol.

so if im right then to achieve next power increase , a new full exhaust , cai , stage 2 map and intercooler will get me 2 the figures being floated around here?
if so which map , revo or custom code?
bearing in mind i already have revo.

Rob.

The MoffMeister · Dec 7, 2007

well if you have revo then stay there as when you go stage 2 you wont pay as much as you should do due to keeping with them

basically everything you put down on mod list will max out the turbo

Ninja · Dec 7, 2007

mines running around 230-240 i believe and hits 21psi then holds it for a while easily.. is a custom code stage 2 and drives really well

I know nick had his recorded at over 250bhp with a jabba map on jabba rollers but then i also know he blew his turbo.. Think that was actuator related though and not the map!

ibizacupra · Dec 8, 2007

bcstudent said:
Mine does hold 20 PSI...well, until just over 5000rpm anyway. It peaks at somewhere around 22.

It definitely depends on the dyno, which is why I made sure I had before and after runs. Obviously, peak numbers mean very little...but it's nice to see it in black and white

It does'nt hold that boost, is incapable of holding that to the 6800rpm limiter
its out of puff... the best k03s I have seen just hold 15psi to the limiter

P-torque.co.uk · Dec 8, 2007

210bhp is normal for a stage 1 map.

We recently tuned a members Leon running KO3S with full exhaust system and it made 237bhp.

As many have said, it is dependant on the type of mapping and Dyno.

RobDon · Dec 8, 2007

Indeed, most of these 240 dyno figures are brief blips before plummeting down again, high in the rev range the bhp and torque is WAY below that. Out on the road in the real world that would be round about the time you're getting humped by another car!!!

A realistic, reliable average is around 230bhp max., no more. (fantasy dynos not included!).

bcstudent · Dec 8, 2007

ibizacupra said:
It does'nt hold that boost, is incapable of holding that to the 6800rpm limiter
its out of puff... the best k03s I have seen just hold 15psi to the limiter

You're right, it's down to about 15 PSI by 5800rpm. I only said it held 20 PSI until about 5000rpm though. Looking at the graph it's more like 4500rpm in fact.

It does well for a small turbo, but it's game over at 4500rpm!

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