Ibiza/Cordoba Anti Roll Bars-Available

[ibizacupra]

Ibiza & Cordoba Owners & modifiers:


You will be pleased to hear that there is now a proven anti roll bar solution for Ibiza and Cordoba (I think same rear beam as Beezer). I have been running these ARB's for a while now and it have dramatically improved the cars handling.... Superb additions.

The options available are:-
25mm Front ARB which has rose jointed ends.
28mm Rear ARB which had 3 adjustment positions and rose joints also. The rear ARB will need 2 x holes drilled into the shock tower position to mount the drop links.

Retail Prices are as follows currently (TBC depending on numbers, hopefully will go down)

Front ARB is £160+vat+carriage
Rear ARB is £195+vat+carriage

The bars are top quality Neuspeed items from America and would be supplied by their UK Importer/Distributor Awesome Gti store via Badger5 if we can muster sufficient numbers and commitment from people. Badger5 is acting as a coordinator to get as many commited orders for the single purchase to achieve best prices.

Price is TBC on the basis we need to know how many people want them to work the best deal with Neuspeed on costs and shipment etc..

For this to happen we will need firm committed orders from people to ensure we can get this to happen and get this at the best possible price etc...

Can I ask that people genuinely interested (ie: want to place an order for these type interested) to email me at arb@badger5.demon.co.uk so I can collate the total numbers and work with Awesome Gti to get a confirmed Group Buy quantity & discount.

Many thanks.
regards
Bill

[BenS1]

Excellent! Thanks for taking the time to find and sort this Bill.

Put me down for both (Front and rear)! (I've sent you an email)

Will Autotechniks fit them both for me as I haven't got a clue about how to fit them. Any idea on prices fot fitting or should I call them direct?

Is the rear bar adjustable?

Any idea when I'd be likely to get them? I guess it depends on how long it takes to get enough people committed? Any chance of getting them in time to have them fitted for the Alconbury trackday (June 6th), or is that likely to be too soon?

Cheers
Ben

Me Happy!

[ibizacupra]

Here's the position which requires the drilling.
Simple enough.
Bar is shown on middle position.



Autotechnik could fit it for you no problem. You should give them a call to sort out fitting etc & price..

I can't confirm prices or delivery dates until I have had sufficient responses.

As of 8.35 tonight I have had 2 +ve responses so far (Glen & Ben)

The sooner I get the replies the sooner we can roll with this.

cheers guys.
regards
bill

[F2 Stu]

May consider the rear one if its cheaper than a standard rear beam with integral ARB off a mk2 cupra/gti from SEAT or 2nd hand

(currently running Eibach ARBS with a rear beam without integral ARB)

[BenS1]

Out of interest, how many orders do you need?

Cheers
ben

[ibizacupra]

To get a more sensible number which would attract more discount 10 is a number I have in mind with Awesome.

I'll give it a few days....

regards
Bill

[WeeJase]

bill you have mail from me,my first mod on the new car.

can any of you etka boys check the rear beam on the ibiza/cordoba is the same(betting it is ,just want comfirmation)

[m0rk]

yes jase - all OK

[Dormouse]

OOOHHHH Drilling the rear mounts....



I'll see hoe i get on with the front first..

Dor.

[ibizacupra]

Originally posted by Dormouse
OOOHHHH Drilling the rear mounts....



I'll see hoe i get on with the front first..

Dor.

:laff:
Don't be such a wus
Rear bar will make the biggest difference Dor....

2 small ickle 10mm holes....

Bill

[Sim]

OFF

Is that rust Bill? I think i should not worry about my car getting corroded then .

ON

[whelme]

Bill, as they are adjustable, what affect would incorrect set-up have on handling? How do you know where the correct position is?

[ibizacupra]

Originally posted by whelme
Bill, as they are adjustable, what affect would incorrect set-up have on handling? How do you know where the correct position is?

The thing is more than likely how you prefer to have it set adjustment wise. Its going to be a preference thing and not a right wrong thing. Also other factors like suspension fitted, damping adjustment, wheels & tyres etc, and use (track or road) will have a baring on how you want your car to feel.

The good news being it is adjustable so can be tailored to your choice. (Eibach is non adjustable for example, if you could get them)

Too much rear bar oversteer is more likely....
Too little rear bar......... who knows, but probably understeer as usual.regards
Bill

[whelme]

Cheers for that Bill. I don't know whether to bother as yet, mainly due to overall cost, but I'll keep an eye on the thread just in case.

[utter_hatred]

Looks luuurvely (apart from the rust)
Inclusive total looks @ £450 :eek:

Ummm...would love to place an order but £ not available.
I could put a definite order in for 1 if that would help, Bill.

I guess fitting only 1 would be a bad idea?

PS What exactly ARE rose-jointed welds?

[chriskaven]

I am currently running the standard setup on my Ibiza cupra 20VT and think this is quite a good setup for the road (I know certain people diasagree!) in terms of ride quality. The real let down for me is the amount of understeer it induces. What would people recomended to sharpen up the turn in and provoke some lift off oversteer using the standard spring/damper setup?? Would this stiffer rear antiroll bar help?

Since I have come from several Peugeot 205/309GTIs I guess I miss all that oversteer!

[ibizacupra]

For those wanting less understeer, then perhaps just the rear ARB is what you want..... It certainly reduced/eliminates understeer from my own experience, and has some adjustment also which can be tailored to your preference etc...

20VT's have a 23mm front ARB anyhow, although it is a tapering 23mm to 20mm one. (23mm in the middle tapering down to 20mm on the ends) The Neuspeed frotn ARB is 25mm all the way.

The rose joints allow controlled articulation being spherical bearings. They also allow the means for adjustment on the rear, by being length adjustable also.

The picture of the rear ARB above clearly shows the "silver" Rose Joint drop link.

As an example, on my own road/track Ibiza I did the following changes.....

I run Bilstein PSS9's, but was running 400lb front springs and 300lb rears. Why so stiff? I wanted to reduce body roll, which I felt was excessive, and contributed to the tyre sidewall wear people my remember from my tyres. (Alconbury)
Although the 400lb front springs did very significantly reduce body roll, they also were very firm... (no sh1t sherlock I hear you say ) On the road the car was very firm, not crashy, but mid corner bumps would upset traction.... it was just too much for real roads.

I fitted a Neuspeed 25mm front ARB at this point and reverted back to the PSS9 original springs on the front. (280lb front and 225lb rears for info... I measured their actual spring rates) I left the rear 300lb springs in place, as I did not have a rear ARB at this point. (std one in beam only)
The feel of th ecar was much nicer, and very much more compliant... riding over bumps nicely, and roll was no more than previously with the 400lb springs... Result!

Lift off turn in was not present at the level I wanted it tho, despite this improvement. It had a nearly neutral stance, but understeer prevailed when pushed, which on lift off, only reduced. Turn in was only marginally improved.

After fitting the 28mm rear ARB, the handling changed hugely... I would go as far as to say, the step change is as much from fitting the rear ARB as it was going from stock suspension to PSS9's many moons ago. The car now feels totally connected frotn rear, if that makes sense, and the rear is very tight. Turn in is precise and lift off turn in is sharp but not oversteery. I tried this in the wet on many local roundabouts (quiet industrial estate ones ) and I could not provoke oversteer by being on/off on the throttle whilst going round and round and round...... dizzy! The rear does feel like its going to snap oversteer, but always stopped short of actually sliding out... This is with the rear ARB on its middle setting. I would go as far as to say that the beezer now out handles the Jetta, which is something I have been chasing for months now.

I hope this rambling helps explain what I have seen from my experiments/development.

Of the 2 ARB's, the rear one is the which contrinutes most to the handling.

regards
Bill

[RobT]

Hi

If the person only wants to buy a single bar and stick with the std front (which would be much easier to fit and much cheaper), perhaps another option is to fit only a rear bar - but use the 25mm rear bar and not the 28mm biggie that IMO probably needs installing with the 25m front to maintain some modicum of balance.

Ave it

Rob

[ibizacupra]

At least the 28mm rear ARB is 3 position adjustable tho...
Some lattitude of tuning posisble then.

Here's the Neuspeed link to see whats available...
MK2 Golf/Jetta fitment - suits Ibiza/Cordoba

http://www.neuspeed.com/products/pro...&ltype=ns_euro

Bill

[RobT]

Originally posted by ibizacupra
At least the 28mm rear ARB is 3 position adjustable tho...
Some lattitude of tuning posisble then.

Here's the Neuspeed link to see whats available...
MK2 Golf/Jetta fitment - suits Ibiza/Cordoba

http://www.neuspeed.com/products/pro...ist.asp?app=37|J2&type=2&ltype=ns_euro

Bill

So is the 25mm rear neuspeed bar - 3 position just like the 28mm - but unlike the 28mm could probably be fitted without the uprated front.

For absolute track action the 25/28 combo is probably best but its not exactly cheap.

Have you noticed any affect on ride quality with the big bars - I would think it would make the ride harsher as your side to side suspension independence is reduced

Rob