REVO Problems!! Newbie here! - SEAT Cupra.net

Daaveey · 26-04-2009, 17:04

Hello ALL! First post so bear with me, been searching for answers to no avail, I know alot of you have seen this all before, but hope, with all your expert knowledge, can give a Newbie a hand....
I have an Ibiza Cupra 2002 Plate and had a Revo Remap last year.
From the figures they quote, my car should be putting out around 206BHP, but I had it on the rolling road last week and its only putting out 185....
It had a new MAF about 2 months ago, everything on the car is pretty much standard except a custom made Stainless Backbox (with loads of baffle in to keep it quiet) and Forge Split-R in atmos/recirc mode.
The cars done 50k, no fault codes in VAG COM, I just cant understand it!
Anyone have any ideas?
Thanks in advance!!!

Added 11/5/09...
Sorry to be a pain, but could do with someones suggestions!
Took the car down to a different Dyno today (with a huge fan that nearly blew my legs from under me!), as i've had it serviced and bypassed the dump control valve.
Its given 182BHP at the fly @4224RPM and then really drops off, and compared to Revo's Graph on their website which shows peak power around 206BHP@5300rpm its peaking around 1000RPM lower. BUT its got all the Torque it should have 235lb ft@3432RPM, again with the peak torque around 1000RPM lower than it should be!

Its running exactly as it should up to 4200 RPM compared to Revo graph but then it seems like it runs out of puff and everything goes downhill.

I'm wandering if maybe its a boost leak at higher pressure?

On the other hand, do you think it could be the Bosch Super 4 Plugs that i have always had fitted in it?
Or the Splir R dump valve leaking pressure?
Its doing my head in, some suggestions please!

Only have Unregistered VAG com, and i'm not blaming Revo by the way.

*acidstrato* · 26-04-2009, 18:27

fmic

*cupramillo* · 26-04-2009, 18:45

To be honest Revo figures for stage 1 are always on the positive side. Get the poper mods on (fmic,tip,turbo back etc) and you'll be pushing a true 200bhp

*andycupra* · 26-04-2009, 18:55

on a K03 turbo, which i think you have, then 200 bhp is hard work. On a good day, not too hot, correct fuel, correct settings its possible. But not that repeatable due to the tiny intercooler on the ibiza.

But then there is also the questions over dyno lottery, (do it again i bet its different). Was it set up correctly with the correct loads, correct gear used, decent cooling fans? did the car sit for long before the run? (heat soak)

what fuel you using?
what settings do you have it on?
How many miles has it done? its not a new car and to loose 15 bhp, (id say more like 10 in reality) is not that bad.

ibizacupra · 26-04-2009, 19:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daaveey

Hello ALL! First post so bear with me, I have an Ibiza Cupra 2002 Plate and had a Revo Remap last year.
From the figures they quote, my car should be putting out around 200BHP, but I had it on the rolling road last week and its only putting out 185....
It had a new MAF about 2 months ago, everything on the car is pretty much standard except a custom made Stainless Backbox and Forge Split-R in atmos/recirc mode.
The cars done 50k, no problems in VAG COM, I just cant understand it!
Anyone have any ideas?
Thanks in advance!!!

what airflow are you getting on vagcom? max figure achived is what?

*Riko* · 26-04-2009, 23:14

Mine was 206.5 at the fly, but about 185 at the wheels. Make sure these aren't getting mixed up?

*s1l3nc3r* · 27-04-2009, 13:25

if its all standard apart from a stainles back box then your not going to be getting the full use out of the map...

As said above really fmic, filter, full exhaust (downpipe is very restrictive), tip. you should notice a nice gain over what you have now it will pull stronger...

*M87NER* · 27-04-2009, 15:20

as above or all down to dyno lottery.... you could put it on another roller and achive 195bhp ! different rollers different output claims..

*PhilW* · 27-04-2009, 15:58

Can we be the judge of it running right on vag com?

How do you know its running right? What rollers was it on? What fuel? Temps? etc...

I wouldnt get too hung up on figures.

*warren_cox* · 27-04-2009, 16:12

Interesting choice of title for the thread.

Revo's product is tested and validated after many hours of R&D. MANY people run the software without issue.

Why do you assume it's the Revo code that is the problem? All to often people blame the remap as they can't believe their car or the rollers could possibly lie.

Cars although mass produced are not blueprinted. Some will be quicker than others and that's just an unfortunate fact (probably a +/-5% variance in power when standard). Also this can be affected by the way a car is run in, driven, adapted and maintained (then modded). With dodgy MAF's, weak coil packs, and general component wear in the mix your car could potentially drop another 5% performance between services as oil and filters get grotty.

Then their is the bag or worms that is rolling road. I hear more and more people say that they are choosing to give the rollers a wide berth due to dyno lotteries. If you want to see whether an upgrade has made a positive difference then its a useful tool. If you want to diagnose a fault under load then they are useful. However of late they seem to bring about more sleepless nights than glory stories for most of the modding community.

Problem is as you get used to your car it stops feeling fast. My car runs at over 300bhp, and it feels absolutely ordinary until I get in a 1.4 litre hire car and realise how quick it actually is.

As suggested, get your cooling sorted, and maybe speak to a specialist about any weak points in your upgrade path that can be easily fixed.

*Reuvers* · 27-04-2009, 21:23

warren you have quite a few posts under your belt, yet I never see that many.

However when I do, they're usually quite sharp.

good post mate

*warren_cox* · 27-04-2009, 21:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reuvers

warren you have quite a few posts under your belt, yet I never see that many.

However when I do, they're usually quite sharp.

good post mate

Cheers ears. I've been here for years, and I used to post a lot more than I do now!

Daaveey · 03-05-2009, 21:56

Front mount and filter on the way then! Any recommendations? Had a K+N ind kit on it for a while but was rubbish when it got hot.

Thanks for the replies anyways, I know rollers are all different and there are so many variables that affect how it goes but seriously, the car seems sooooo much more than an extra 30BHP from standard, im happy with the result, definately worth the money and the easiest way of gettin extra power.
Just wandererd what everone elses experiences were with Revo on a standard car and if I was expecting too much thats all.

Another thing I wanted to ask, does anyone know, when the little old man pretends he knows how to use a laptop when he Remaps the car, he has to set the timing etc doesn't he? He set all mine to 5, bang in the middle.
Well when I use the SPS 2 to change the type of fuel, does it actually change these settings, or are these fixed and it changes something else? As it pulls so much harder with 95RON in the tank but set to 98RON on the SPS! Feels rubbish with the same fuel and setting.
BUT WHAT A CAR!
Cheers Guys!

*karls cupra* · 04-05-2009, 10:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daaveey

Front mount and filter on the way then! Any recommendations? Had a K+N ind kit on it for a while but was rubbish when it got hot.

Thanks for the replies anyways, I know rollers are all different and there are so many variables that affect how it goes but seriously, the car seems sooooo much more than an extra 30BHP from standard, im happy with the result, definately worth the money and the easiest way of gettin extra power.
Just wandererd what everone elses experiences were with Revo on a standard car and if I was expecting too much thats all.

Another thing I wanted to ask, does anyone know, when the little old man pretends he knows how to use a laptop when he Remaps the car, he has to set the timing etc doesn't he? He set all mine to 5, bang in the middle.
Well when I use the SPS 2 to change the type of fuel, does it actually change these settings, or are these fixed and it changes something else? As it pulls so much harder with 95RON in the tank but set to 98RON on the SPS! Feels rubbish with the same fuel and setting.
BUT WHAT A CAR!
Cheers Guys!

peolpe on here like the green dynatwist induction kit or the large jetex one there the ones to look at also k&n use oil on there filter and its not good for a car with air mass sensor as it can cause the sensor to pack up cause of the oil ...

*pj1985* · 04-05-2009, 10:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by karls cupra

also k&n use oil on there filter and its not good for a car with air mass sensor as it can cause the sensor to pack up cause of the oil ...

This is sooo not a problem and if you think it is you dont even have to run it oiled!

Daaveey · 04-05-2009, 18:39

I heard the oil thing with the K&N, but it was more of a heat issue why I removed it. Heard somethin about having the filter in the wheelarch as its cooler, this a big job?

Daaveey · 11-05-2009, 19:56

Sorry to be a pain, but could do with someones suggestions!
Took the car down to a different Dyno today (with a huge fan that nearly blew my legs from under me!), as i've had it serviced and bypassed the dump control valve.
Its given 182BHP at the fly @4224RPM and then really drops off, and compared to Revo's Graph on their website which shows peak power around 206BHP@5300rpm its peaking around 1000RPM lower. BUT its got all the Torque it should have 235lb ft@3432RPM, again with the peak torque around 1000RPM lower than it should be!

Its running exactly as it should up to 4200 RPM compared to Revo graph but then it seems like it runs out of puff and everything goes downhill.

I'm wandering if maybe its a boost leak at higher pressure?

On the other hand, do you think it could be the Bosch Super 4 Plugs that i have always had fitted in it?
Or the Splir R dump valve leaking pressure?
Its doing my head in, some suggestions please!

Only have Unregistered VAG com, and i'm not blaming Revo by the way.
Cheers!

*__B3NNY__* · 11-05-2009, 20:05

Your going to either have to get yourself a full copy of vagcom or find sombody with it and get your car logged.

Im not to clued up about the Split R as they dont tickle my pickle but i have heard if not setup correct they can cause leaks and lead to problems..

Do you have a boost gauge?

*Forbez* · 11-05-2009, 20:06

What values are you getting from the Maf?

Daaveey · 11-05-2009, 20:15

Nope, no boost gauge, its on the to do list but spare cash is hard to come by at the moment. Can it be found in VAG com if I get a full copy?
Maf can't be logged in vag scope can it on the unregistered version? Will only be able to read the tickover MAF value won't I?

26-04-2009, 17:04	#1
Daaveey Ibiza Cupra 2002 Blue! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Midlands Posts: 8	REVO Problems!! Newbie here! Hello ALL! First post so bear with me, been searching for answers to no avail, I know alot of you have seen this all before, but hope, with all your expert knowledge, can give a Newbie a hand.... I have an Ibiza Cupra 2002 Plate and had a Revo Remap last year. From the figures they quote, my car should be putting out around 206BHP, but I had it on the rolling road last week and its only putting out 185.... It had a new MAF about 2 months ago, everything on the car is pretty much standard except a custom made Stainless Backbox (with loads of baffle in to keep it quiet) and Forge Split-R in atmos/recirc mode. The cars done 50k, no fault codes in VAG COM, I just cant understand it! Anyone have any ideas? Thanks in advance!!! Added 11/5/09... Sorry to be a pain, but could do with someones suggestions! Took the car down to a different Dyno today (with a huge fan that nearly blew my legs from under me!), as i've had it serviced and bypassed the dump control valve. Its given 182BHP at the fly @4224RPM and then really drops off, and compared to Revo's Graph on their website which shows peak power around 206BHP@5300rpm its peaking around 1000RPM lower. BUT its got all the Torque it should have 235lb ft@3432RPM, again with the peak torque around 1000RPM lower than it should be! Its running exactly as it should up to 4200 RPM compared to Revo graph but then it seems like it runs out of puff and everything goes downhill. I'm wandering if maybe its a boost leak at higher pressure? On the other hand, do you think it could be the Bosch Super 4 Plugs that i have always had fitted in it? Or the Splir R dump valve leaking pressure? Its doing my head in, some suggestions please! Only have Unregistered VAG com, and i'm not blaming Revo by the way. Last edited by Daaveey; 11-05-2009 at 20:33.

26-04-2009, 18:27	#2
acidstrato My Fast says shut up! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Newport, South Wales Posts: 6,204	fmic __________________ beezer cupra turbo Arctic - GONE....NOW - Milano Civic Type R

26-04-2009, 18:45	#3
cupramillo The "Red Baron" Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: South London Posts: 2,247	To be honest Revo figures for stage 1 are always on the positive side. Get the poper mods on (fmic,tip,turbo back etc) and you'll be pushing a true 200bhp __________________

26-04-2009, 18:55	#4
andycupra status subject to change Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: until tomorrow, i just keep moving on... Posts: 7,481	on a K03 turbo, which i think you have, then 200 bhp is hard work. On a good day, not too hot, correct fuel, correct settings its possible. But not that repeatable due to the tiny intercooler on the ibiza. But then there is also the questions over dyno lottery, (do it again i bet its different). Was it set up correctly with the correct loads, correct gear used, decent cooling fans? did the car sit for long before the run? (heat soak) what fuel you using? what settings do you have it on? How many miles has it done? its not a new car and to loose 15 bhp, (id say more like 10 in reality) is not that bad. __________________ S.K.W.K.L.B.O.F H.K.S.K.P.P.P.

26-04-2009, 23:14	#6
Riko MURDER WAGON Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Milton Keynes Posts: 1,505	Mine was 206.5 at the fly, but about 185 at the wheels. Make sure these aren't getting mixed up? __________________

27-04-2009, 13:25	#7
s1l3nc3r ASBO car. Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: essex Posts: 1,607	if its all standard apart from a stainles back box then your not going to be getting the full use out of the map... As said above really fmic, filter, full exhaust (downpipe is very restrictive), tip. you should notice a nice gain over what you have now it will pull stronger... __________________ When a man steals your wife theres no better revenge than to let him keep her AMD STAGE 2, TURBO BACK EXHAUST,FORGE TIP, JETEX FILTER, 007P, FMIC, 6K HID'S, BOOST GAUGE, 20MM SPACERS, AP COILOVERS

27-04-2009, 15:20	#8
M87NER MATNER Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Stoke-on-Trent Posts: 1,372	as above or all down to dyno lottery.... you could put it on another roller and achive 195bhp ! different rollers different output claims.. __________________

27-04-2009, 15:58	#9
PhilW 3071 Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: South Wales Posts: 10,116	Can we be the judge of it running right on vag com? How do you know its running right? What rollers was it on? What fuel? Temps? etc... I wouldnt get too hung up on figures. __________________ Project Thread

27-04-2009, 16:12	#10
warren_cox Back from the dead Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On another planet: Car: Audi S3 Posts: 4,387	Interesting choice of title for the thread. Revo's product is tested and validated after many hours of R&D. MANY people run the software without issue. Why do you assume it's the Revo code that is the problem? All to often people blame the remap as they can't believe their car or the rollers could possibly lie. Cars although mass produced are not blueprinted. Some will be quicker than others and that's just an unfortunate fact (probably a +/-5% variance in power when standard). Also this can be affected by the way a car is run in, driven, adapted and maintained (then modded). With dodgy MAF's, weak coil packs, and general component wear in the mix your car could potentially drop another 5% performance between services as oil and filters get grotty. Then their is the bag or worms that is rolling road. I hear more and more people say that they are choosing to give the rollers a wide berth due to dyno lotteries. If you want to see whether an upgrade has made a positive difference then its a useful tool. If you want to diagnose a fault under load then they are useful. However of late they seem to bring about more sleepless nights than glory stories for most of the modding community. Problem is as you get used to your car it stops feeling fast. My car runs at over 300bhp, and it feels absolutely ordinary until I get in a 1.4 litre hire car and realise how quick it actually is. As suggested, get your cooling sorted, and maybe speak to a specialist about any weak points in your upgrade path that can be easily fixed. __________________ Dolphin Grey Audi S3 2.0T Revo Stage 2+ Panther Black Audi S3 Black Edition 3dr MY12 on order, due for delivery wk 2 in October!

27-04-2009, 21:23	#11
Reuvers I is a Dutch man! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 3,395	warren you have quite a few posts under your belt, yet I never see that many. However when I do, they're usually quite sharp. good post mate __________________ 83 Golf 1 '92 VW Jetta G60

03-05-2009, 21:56	#13
Daaveey Ibiza Cupra 2002 Blue! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Midlands Posts: 8	Front mount and filter on the way then! Any recommendations? Had a K+N ind kit on it for a while but was rubbish when it got hot. Thanks for the replies anyways, I know rollers are all different and there are so many variables that affect how it goes but seriously, the car seems sooooo much more than an extra 30BHP from standard, im happy with the result, definately worth the money and the easiest way of gettin extra power. Just wandererd what everone elses experiences were with Revo on a standard car and if I was expecting too much thats all. Another thing I wanted to ask, does anyone know, when the little old man pretends he knows how to use a laptop when he Remaps the car, he has to set the timing etc doesn't he? He set all mine to 5, bang in the middle. Well when I use the SPS 2 to change the type of fuel, does it actually change these settings, or are these fixed and it changes something else? As it pulls so much harder with 95RON in the tank but set to 98RON on the SPS! Feels rubbish with the same fuel and setting. BUT WHAT A CAR! Cheers Guys!

04-05-2009, 18:39	#16
Daaveey Ibiza Cupra 2002 Blue! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Midlands Posts: 8	I heard the oil thing with the K&N, but it was more of a heat issue why I removed it. Heard somethin about having the filter in the wheelarch as its cooler, this a big job?

11-05-2009, 19:56	#17
Daaveey Ibiza Cupra 2002 Blue! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Midlands Posts: 8	Sorry to be a pain, but could do with someones suggestions! Took the car down to a different Dyno today (with a huge fan that nearly blew my legs from under me!), as i've had it serviced and bypassed the dump control valve. Its given 182BHP at the fly @4224RPM and then really drops off, and compared to Revo's Graph on their website which shows peak power around 206BHP@5300rpm its peaking around 1000RPM lower. BUT its got all the Torque it should have 235lb ft@3432RPM, again with the peak torque around 1000RPM lower than it should be! Its running exactly as it should up to 4200 RPM compared to Revo graph but then it seems like it runs out of puff and everything goes downhill. I'm wandering if maybe its a boost leak at higher pressure? On the other hand, do you think it could be the Bosch Super 4 Plugs that i have always had fitted in it? Or the Splir R dump valve leaking pressure? Its doing my head in, some suggestions please! Only have Unregistered VAG com, and i'm not blaming Revo by the way. Cheers!

11-05-2009, 20:05	#18
__B3NNY__ OEM with a 'Twist' Join Date: May 2005 Location: Oxford Posts: 3,649	Your going to either have to get yourself a full copy of vagcom or find sombody with it and get your car logged. Im not to clued up about the Split R as they dont tickle my pickle but i have heard if not setup correct they can cause leaks and lead to problems.. Do you have a boost gauge?

11-05-2009, 20:06	#19
Forbez Huge Member! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: S.Wales Posts: 6,091	What values are you getting from the Maf? __________________ Cheers Tom Audi A6 S line Le Mans & mk5 Golf Sport Edition Owner Former Ibiza Cupra owner

11-05-2009, 20:15	#20
Daaveey Ibiza Cupra 2002 Blue! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Midlands Posts: 8	Nope, no boost gauge, its on the to do list but spare cash is hard to come by at the moment. Can it be found in VAG com if I get a full copy? Maf can't be logged in vag scope can it on the unregistered version? Will only be able to read the tickover MAF value won't I?

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