Autocar: TDI Cupra vs 20VT Cupra... - SEAT Cupra.net

*dangel* · 10-02-2004, 13:51

"NO NEGATIVE EFFECTS"

That's the summary of their side-by-side comparison of the car - that's right, they reckon the Cupra TDI is every bit as good as the Cupra 20VT!
Little to choose between them on handling, 30-70mph times. Only fall down is 30-90mph is 8 seconds quicker in the 20VT (in fifth) and more gear stirring required on TDI due to narrower rev-range (peak torque 2k). The good tho: TDI quoted as free revving, with a gruff roar and lots of turbo whistle

Both cars are standard btw.
Oddly the 20VT gets larger front brakes (weird - the TDI weighs more!)

Summary:

£15,515 (20VT) / £16,015 (TDI)
0-60mph 8.2/8.6 [the most pointless value for a fwd car!]
0-100mph 22.2sec / 26.0sec
std qtr mile 16.2(87mph)/16.7(84mph)
30-70mph (thru gears) 7.6/8.0
Top speed 142mph/134mph

Test MPG: 16.4mpg/25.3mpg (god they were hammering them)

*Sootycuprabod* · 10-02-2004, 13:56

In reality the tdi is probably a grand and a half dearer as they dont tend to give much discount on them which is a fair bit unless you do big milage. I always thought that servicing was more too on a tdi,but i dont know by how much

*dangel* · 10-02-2004, 14:02

Quote:

Originally posted by ovnicuprabod
In reality the tdi is probably a grand and a half dearer as they dont tend to give much discount on them which is a fair bit unless you do big milage. I always thought that servicing was more too on a tdi,but i dont know by how much

If you manage 15k a year, that's 500quid less a year in fuel (est) so it could be quite appealing. I reckon i do about that now..
Only downside is you can't get an IHI for the derv

*sjtscott* · 10-02-2004, 14:47

Thanks for posting this Dangel..

That 8 seconds difference is all I need to know BTW!

BrianT · 10-02-2004, 14:55

Are the brakes bigger on both the front and rear? In order to upgrade to the 20VT brakes on the TDi, is it possible / easy? And how is it done?

*mark sheerin* · 10-02-2004, 14:57

[size=6] 8 seconds!!!..ditch the stopwatch and pass the sundial!![/size]

:devil:

*dangel* · 10-02-2004, 15:18

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Originally posted by mark sheerin
[size=6] 8 seconds!!!..ditch the stopwatch and pass the sundial!![/size] :devil:

That's eight seconds in FIFTH btw - notice that through the gears the times are much closer (looking at qtr mile/0-100). Gah, half-reading the post as per usual eh?

Slighty weird test that - how often do you pull away at 30mph in fifth? It's iffy in fourth, ideal in third.

Seriously tho - it sounds rather good (apart from the clatter of a taxi) all said and done. I'm no fan of derv due to past experiences but they're getting very good now. Aside from having to change gear more often when accelerating due to a narrower rev range there's not a lot in it.

Gilrick · 10-02-2004, 15:19

I know its a bit off topic, but had a test in the new golf GTTDPDI140!! thingy on Sunday. Must admit it felt an improved chasis but as far as get up and go, i think it had left. Will stick to petrol thanks, even though an average of 23mpg really hurts!

**Saul** · 10-02-2004, 15:19

lmao @ sheerin, mind you if paddy ashdown drove a cupra, imagine what he could do in those 8 seconds

*mark sheerin* · 10-02-2004, 15:21

I'm sure on the road there'll be f'all in it...however what I need to know is......how does a Revo'd Cupra TDi fare against my Revo'd cupra..that would be what made me decide..

*dangel* · 10-02-2004, 15:28

Quote:

Originally posted by mark sheerin
I'm sure on the road there'll be f'all in it...however what I need to know is......how does a Revo'd Cupra TDi fare against my Revo'd cupra..that would be what made me decide..

That's prolly what's gonna REALLY p!ss you (and i) off - i reckon the Cupra TDI chipped would kill a chipped 20VT

I wouldn't be suprised if a chipped R had trouble too..
Worse still i think the TDI PD150 has a gr8 big FMIC so *may* be prone to less heat soak (assuming of course larger boost doesn't offset this)

*DaveP* · 10-02-2004, 15:41

Quote:

Originally posted by mark sheerin
I'm sure on the road there'll be f'all in it...however what I need to know is......how does a Revo'd Cupra TDi fare against my Revo'd cupra..that would be what made me decide..

Mark you go down to the South West occasionaly don't you?
I did Leeds to Castle Coombe (roughly) in 2hrs 40mins with the computer showing just under 40mpg. Surely that is all you need to know

Gadget110 · 10-02-2004, 15:43

Quote:

Originally posted by dangel
[B(weird - the TDI weighs more!)[/B]

Generally diesel engines do weight substantially more than the equivalent petrol ones.

*dangel* · 10-02-2004, 15:52

Quote:

Originally posted by Gadget110
Generally diesel engines do weight substantially more than the equivalent petrol ones.

isn't there a new jap diesel with an all allum. block now? Eliminates that element too..

Cupra TDI wieghs just 25kg more than the 20VT they reckon here..

BrianT · 10-02-2004, 15:59

The diesel in Honda's Accord is supposed to be pretty light (for a diesel). It gets very good reviews in general.

*sjtscott* · 10-02-2004, 16:15

Sorry I disagree with the statement of close, 20VT is 3.8 Seconds quicker 0-100.. thats quite a bit!

homeslice · 10-02-2004, 16:57

Damn! I spend most of my time driving from 0-100 MPH. Knew I should have gone for the 20VT :wink2:

*mik* · 10-02-2004, 17:28

Quote:

Originally posted by BrianT
Are the brakes bigger on both the front and rear? In order to upgrade to the 20VT brakes on the TDi, is it possible / easy? And how is it done?

Brian,

Front brakes only - explained in this thread here

Hopefully Stuart will be able to help

*prc* · 10-02-2004, 18:01

Quote:

Originally posted by dangel
That's prolly what's gonna REALLY p!ss you (and i) off - i reckon the Cupra TDI chipped would kill a chipped 20VT I wouldn't be suprised if a chipped R had trouble too..
Worse still i think the TDI PD150 has a gr8 big FMIC so *may* be prone to less heat soak (assuming of course larger boost doesn't offset this)

Diesels are not at all prone to heatsoak. Yes the 150's do run FMIC, they also run 1.5bar of boost..

*vibrio* · 10-02-2004, 20:40

1/4 mile time for the cupra20VT is shite. its quicker than that

10-02-2004, 13:51	#1
dangel Nuclear Banana Boy Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Around Cambridge. In the scheme of things, does it really matter that much? Life is too short. Posts: 2,859	Autocar: TDI Cupra vs 20VT Cupra... "NO NEGATIVE EFFECTS" That's the summary of their side-by-side comparison of the car - that's right, they reckon the Cupra TDI is every bit as good as the Cupra 20VT! Little to choose between them on handling, 30-70mph times. Only fall down is 30-90mph is 8 seconds quicker in the 20VT (in fifth) and more gear stirring required on TDI due to narrower rev-range (peak torque 2k). The good tho: TDI quoted as free revving, with a gruff roar and lots of turbo whistle Both cars are standard btw. Oddly the 20VT gets larger front brakes (weird - the TDI weighs more!) Summary: £15,515 (20VT) / £16,015 (TDI) 0-60mph 8.2/8.6 [the most pointless value for a fwd car!] 0-100mph 22.2sec / 26.0sec std qtr mile 16.2(87mph)/16.7(84mph) 30-70mph (thru gears) 7.6/8.0 Top speed 142mph/134mph Test MPG: 16.4mpg/25.3mpg (god they were hammering them) __________________ -= Timbo =- Leon Cupra In Stealth Mode [size=1] MY03 - 240bhp, 247lbft JabbaChip, Boost Controller, 18" Cupra R wheels, Dunlop SP9000s(7.5J), Brembos/SuperDot 4.1/Braided Hoses/NOT Carbon Metallic Pads this time, Lowered on Koni Shocks/Eibach Springs, Forge DV007P, GPS/PDA satnav/speedcam, Pimp Tints, LED lights, Phillips VisionPlus Bulbs, ALL EU options, Pioneer MP3/WMA/CD HU, De-locked, Fuse 38 Relocated, Pillar-mount boost gauge.. Audi 80 1.9 TD SE finished in minty white, lowered on spax shocks - 75bhp but handles like a dream awww![/size] Need some new tyres and don't want to pay over the odds? Click here!

10-02-2004, 13:56	#2
Sootycuprabod Messy haired veteran Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Macclesfield Posts: 563	In reality the tdi is probably a grand and a half dearer as they dont tend to give much discount on them which is a fair bit unless you do big milage. I always thought that servicing was more too on a tdi,but i dont know by how much __________________ Carefully disguised as a responsible adult Arctic grey Leon Cupra mk1 TDI with 17" ronal alloys,fabia rear wiper Last edited by Sootycuprabod; 10-02-2004 at 14:01.

10-02-2004, 14:47	#4
sjtscott Now with added Revo! :-) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 520	Thanks for posting this Dangel.. That 8 seconds difference is all I need to know BTW! __________________ Scotty MY03 Platinum Leon Cupra 20VT Tastefully Modified! Last edited by sjtscott; 10-02-2004 at 14:51.

10-02-2004, 14:55	#5
BrianT Full Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sunny Glesca... ish Drives: Honda Integra Type R Posts: 129	Are the brakes bigger on both the front and rear? In order to upgrade to the 20VT brakes on the TDi, is it possible / easy? And how is it done? __________________ [size=4]fancy a brew?[/size] Clan SCNKG

10-02-2004, 14:57	#6
mark sheerin DUNLOP academy wanabee Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,589	[size=6] 8 seconds!!!..ditch the stopwatch and pass the sundial!![/size] :devil: __________________ If you are not alarmed . . you should be www.fastalarms.co.uk

10-02-2004, 15:19	#8
Gilrick Full Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: East Yorkshire Posts: 76	I know its a bit off topic, but had a test in the new golf GTTDPDI140!! thingy on Sunday. Must admit it felt an improved chasis but as far as get up and go, i think it had left. Will stick to petrol thanks, even though an average of 23mpg really hurts! __________________ Altea 2.0 TDi Sport 17" Alloys MY06 Ibiza 1.8T FR

10-02-2004, 15:19	#9
Saul SCN Admin Join Date: May 2001 Location: Manchester Posts: 4,550	lmao @ sheerin, mind you if paddy ashdown drove a cupra, imagine what he could do in those 8 seconds __________________ Saul SCN Admin email: saul@seatcupra.net url: http://www.seatcupra.net BMW E91 335i SNWMAPS 'Ring Tour 2003

10-02-2004, 15:21	#10
mark sheerin DUNLOP academy wanabee Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,589	I'm sure on the road there'll be f'all in it...however what I need to know is......how does a Revo'd Cupra TDi fare against my Revo'd cupra..that would be what made me decide.. __________________ If you are not alarmed . . you should be www.fastalarms.co.uk

10-02-2004, 15:59	#15
BrianT Full Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sunny Glesca... ish Drives: Honda Integra Type R Posts: 129	The diesel in Honda's Accord is supposed to be pretty light (for a diesel). It gets very good reviews in general. __________________ [size=4]fancy a brew?[/size] Clan SCNKG

10-02-2004, 16:15	#16
sjtscott Now with added Revo! :-) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 520	Sorry I disagree with the statement of close, 20VT is 3.8 Seconds quicker 0-100.. thats quite a bit! __________________ Scotty MY03 Platinum Leon Cupra 20VT Tastefully Modified!

10-02-2004, 16:57	#17
homeslice No. 12: Green Army Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Devon Posts: 17	Damn! I spend most of my time driving from 0-100 MPH. Knew I should have gone for the 20VT :wink2: __________________ Jim Seat Leon Cupra TDI

10-02-2004, 20:40	#20
vibrio POAH Join Date: May 2002 Location: Glasgow Posts: 1,420	1/4 mile time for the cupra20VT is shite. its quicker than that __________________ http://www.quantum-capture.co.uk http://www.photoboxgallery.com/qc

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