"R" Matched by Cupra? - SEAT Cupra.net

NumberoftheBeast · 07-06-2005, 01:14

My 05 reg Cupra R (225) has under 2000 miles, most of which have been sensibly driven, changing at 3000rpm maximum, in order to run the car in. However, I decided to cut loose and have a play at the lights before with a suicidal maniac in what he says is a bog standard Leon Cupra.

So the lights went on green and I gave it some welly for once, took the needle to the red line. Whilst my car felt very quick (as quick as my 225 Audi S3), we were side by side and I only started to pull at 80mph. I decided to slow down and let the fella past at what must have been 100plus, as this is not acceptible for a 30 zone... even if the streets were empty as it was way past midnight.

So, the question is, is my Cupra R a mere baby waiting to sprout or is the car a a mere badge? From posts I have read on here, the R should smoke a Cupra 180 and the extra 45 brake should make a difference. Do you think the guy was telling porkie pies?

If this is you reading this, Dave (I suggested he come on here and say hi), you have a very fast car. Mine will definitely have to have a remapping soon.

Ok, I am off to bed. It would be interesting to hear what you all have to say; owners of both models.

Nitey nite.

*cordobabrendy* · 07-06-2005, 01:24

my 180 was every bit as quick as a 225 i demo'd last year, i never took it past 100 though so maybe the far reaching top end of 4th on was maybe stronger but when do you ever use it?

*Daz_gibbo* · 07-06-2005, 03:35

100 in a 30?

*LEO LION R* · 07-06-2005, 05:35

maybe the turbo aint working, most 225's put out nearer 240bhp and 220lbt+

do you carry much equipment in the car ?

*Kam* · 07-06-2005, 06:41

I have heard that the R is a heavier car but then again, it has 45 Bhp more + more torque than a standard Cupra! Perhaps the other bloke's Cupra has been chipped?

foxy42 · 07-06-2005, 07:37

If this is a mate, as I gather it is, you should drive his car (if he'll let you). If it feels just as fast as yours, get yours checked out cos there may be something not quite right...also bear in mind that getting remaps will give both cars the same bhp and torque, since they are the same engine. Yours however is heavier, and he will then definitely beat you...by the way, tut, tut, 100 in a 30...not on bruv'...

*rhumber* · 07-06-2005, 07:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by foxy42

If this is a mate, as I gather it is, you should drive his car (if he'll let you). If it feels just as fast as yours, get yours checked out cos there may be something not quite right...also bear in mind that getting remaps will give both cars the same bhp and torque, since they are the same engine. Yours however is heavier, and he will then definitely beat you...by the way, tut, tut, 100 in a 30...not on bruv'...

So my remap on my Leon Cupra gives the same bhp and torque as a Revo'd R ?

Don't think so !

*big ALI H* · 07-06-2005, 07:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by foxy42

If this is a mate, as I gather it is, you should drive his car (if he'll let you). If it feels just as fast as yours, get yours checked out cos there may be something not quite right...also bear in mind that getting remaps will give both cars the same bhp and torque, since they are the same engine. Yours however is heavier, and he will then definitely beat you...by the way, tut, tut, 100 in a 30...not on bruv'...

Apart from the fact its a different turbo of course

*rhumber* · 07-06-2005, 07:46

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Originally Posted by big ALI H

Apart from the fact its a different turbo of course

And has 2 intercoolers compared to the Cupra's one.

NumberoftheBeast · 07-06-2005, 07:52

Never met the lad until tonight. He was blasting around the area on his way home. We pulled over, chatted and then parted ways whilst having a quick race.

I doubt mine isn't working properly, but still a valid suggestion! I had Recaros fitted last week and had a ran in LCR 225 as a courtesy car. Whilst you could tell that the brakes had bedded in and the engine was loose, it was the same as mine performance wise, and as I say, mine seems as quick as the S3 in terms of in gear acceleration.

It had probably been chipped, it looked discrete but it did sound good too.

foxy42 · 07-06-2005, 07:54

Ooops, sorry, k03s yeh? I'm still a bit of a noob on cupras...

Will try not to post in future unless I am 100%...

*warren_cox* · 07-06-2005, 08:47

If its any consolation mate despite the fact that the LCR may sounds as if its the fastest car in the world from reading this site the reality is its not.
In gear acceleration is good, but our cars carry a lot of excess baggage in terms of 18" spare, lots of excess bodykit, and that fat 225 lump in the front. Whether from a power to ratio a standard 225 is that much quicker than a standard Cupra is debatable (let alone a chipped Cupra).
I am on my 2nd Leon Cupra R 225, both have been remapped (one by AmD, the other by Revo), and although the Revo car I have now is quicker its still not what I call savagely quick. They just dont put down the extra power that well away from the lights - more of a hinderance than a benefit. Also you car is low mileage. They don't start to really open up until 20k+ miles. I am considering Racelogic traction control for mine next year as a step in the right direction. Also the dogbone mount to help the keep the ESP from constantly flickering. Then, hopefully a full Milltek may help to give the car a bit more shove.
Don't get me wrong, as cars go they are very quick, but they need a bit of modification and a few miles on them to extract the best from them (and a set of decent tyres).

ronnie939 · 07-06-2005, 08:51

I have to say I have had the 210 Revo LCR and that was bloody fast, Miles faster than the LC that I had for the test drive, Having said that I now have a REVO'D FR TDI and dont miss the LCR as much as I thought I would.

*RobDon* · 07-06-2005, 09:27

At only 2000 miles I think your engine will still be tight, I heard they don't loosen off properly until 10,000 miles, chances are he was also remapped - an LC with around 210 will keep up with a stock LCR. Give it time, have it mapped and you should see off most LC's. There really isn't that much difference between the LC and LCR on the road, paper figures don't mean that much in the real world.

On the 1/4 mile most LC and LCR's cut about the same times, around 14.5.

W4YNE · 07-06-2005, 09:56

I had a little blast with Alex (of here) he has a jabba'd cupra, whilst I had a standard LCR. From a standing start the arse end of his car was in line with the nose of mine (seperate lanes) and it basically stayed like that until about half way through 4th when I started gaining on him & then by at the end of 4th I was ahead with Alex just behind, before breaking (Run out of track).

Wasn't a lot in it really, we both drove each others car as well, Alex seem'd to think mine picked up quicker, but I was equally impressed with his remapped Cupra. The remap gave it that extra punch, which to me, made it feel that bit more punchier than mine.

So based on my experience I'd say that a remapped LC is on par with an LCR, So me thinks the cupra you raced was possibly chipped.

NumberoftheBeast · 07-06-2005, 13:46

Cheers for all the comments people. I have thought it over and if he was remapped, he wouldn't have said so in case I battered him around. Saying the car is standard is to avoid embarassment just in case and also add salt to any wound should one occur.

I love a good race though and haven't had the opportunity to do it in the LCR. Something just says that the guy was not standard - before he even saw me on the road I could see him ahead and the car was not hanging around. I reckon it was definitely remapped, the fella knew his stuff about the cars too.

Is 2000 miles too early for a remap? I considered JBS but they are pretty steep (no, effing vertical) for a custom remap and you have to pay extra for a rolling road. Has anyone else had their LCR Jabbad on here? I'm thinking of calling them this week.

*225* · 07-06-2005, 13:50

Have a search on REVO, JABBA, REMAP, etc more info than you could shake a stick at.

NumberoftheBeast · 07-06-2005, 13:51

Cheers!

I've done so and there's just too much hehe. I need it in lay terms people. I love my cars, but I don't understand them hehe.

*warren_cox* · 07-06-2005, 13:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by NumberoftheBeast

Is 2000 miles too early for a remap? I considered JBS but they are pretty steep (no, effing vertical) for a custom remap and you have to pay extra for a rolling road. Has anyone else had their LCR Jabbad on here? I'm thinking of calling them this week.

Not at all. A lot of people now have their cars remapped before collection. AmD have cars delivered to them pre PDI. However there is a risk to this. If the car develops an early fault it is better that the car is standard to protect you for warranty issues. About 1500 miles gives you a fair indication of any early faults occuring. Its never too early as long as you never thrash it when its cold, or generally over-rev it.

JBS Sales · 07-06-2005, 14:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by NumberoftheBeast

Cheers for all the comments people. I have thought it over and if he was remapped, he wouldn't have said so in case I battered him around. Saying the car is standard is to avoid embarassment just in case and also add salt to any wound should one occur.

I love a good race though and haven't had the opportunity to do it in the LCR. Something just says that the guy was not standard - before he even saw me on the road I could see him ahead and the car was not hanging around. I reckon it was definitely remapped, the fella knew his stuff about the cars too.

Is 2000 miles too early for a remap? I considered JBS but they are pretty steep (no, effing vertical) for a custom remap and you have to pay extra for a rolling road. Has anyone else had their LCR Jabbad on here? I'm thinking of calling them this week.

Have a look on our thread as at the moment there is an offer on Custom Code.
That would also give you a FREE rolling Road

07-06-2005, 01:14	#1
NumberoftheBeast Full Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Manchester Posts: 360	"R" Matched by Cupra? My 05 reg Cupra R (225) has under 2000 miles, most of which have been sensibly driven, changing at 3000rpm maximum, in order to run the car in. However, I decided to cut loose and have a play at the lights before with a suicidal maniac in what he says is a bog standard Leon Cupra. So the lights went on green and I gave it some welly for once, took the needle to the red line. Whilst my car felt very quick (as quick as my 225 Audi S3), we were side by side and I only started to pull at 80mph. I decided to slow down and let the fella past at what must have been 100plus, as this is not acceptible for a 30 zone... even if the streets were empty as it was way past midnight. So, the question is, is my Cupra R a mere baby waiting to sprout or is the car a a mere badge? From posts I have read on here, the R should smoke a Cupra 180 and the extra 45 brake should make a difference. Do you think the guy was telling porkie pies? If this is you reading this, Dave (I suggested he come on here and say hi), you have a very fast car. Mine will definitely have to have a remapping soon. Ok, I am off to bed. It would be interesting to hear what you all have to say; owners of both models. Nitey nite.

07-06-2005, 01:24	#2
cordobabrendy FOOORRREEE! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: belfast Posts: 8,606	my 180 was every bit as quick as a 225 i demo'd last year, i never took it past 100 though so maybe the far reaching top end of 4th on was maybe stronger but when do you ever use it? __________________ Estoril Blue BMW X5 4.6IS Shiney Flash Red 2004 Leon Cupra Now Gone. World Rally Blue Bugeye WRX, silicon and shiney bits under the bonnet.

07-06-2005, 03:35	#3
Daz_gibbo Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Newport, South Wales Posts: 2,809	100 in a 30? __________________ Now: Carbon Black E46 M3 Previously: KO3s Revo St 2 Ibiza

07-06-2005, 05:35	#4
LEO LION R if you need to ask . . . Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: on the edge Posts: 5,804	maybe the turbo aint working, most 225's put out nearer 240bhp and 220lbt+ do you carry much equipment in the car ? __________________ gone black LCR but not forgotten

07-06-2005, 06:41	#5
Kam Prof. Myang Li - Yum! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South East Posts: 1,789	I have heard that the R is a heavier car but then again, it has 45 Bhp more + more torque than a standard Cupra! Perhaps the other bloke's Cupra has been chipped? __________________ NOW: Honda FR-V i-CDTi Previously: VW Bora TDi 130 Sport; SEAT Leon Cupra 230 BHP (Jabbasport re-mapped); SEAT Leon 1.6S

07-06-2005, 07:37	#6
foxy42 I am your DADDY! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 165	If this is a mate, as I gather it is, you should drive his car (if he'll let you). If it feels just as fast as yours, get yours checked out cos there may be something not quite right...also bear in mind that getting remaps will give both cars the same bhp and torque, since they are the same engine. Yours however is heavier, and he will then definitely beat you...by the way, tut, tut, 100 in a 30...not on bruv'... __________________ Simply Slammed Mk2 Valver...Leon or Beezer 20vt soon...

07-06-2005, 07:52	#10
NumberoftheBeast Full Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Manchester Posts: 360	Never met the lad until tonight. He was blasting around the area on his way home. We pulled over, chatted and then parted ways whilst having a quick race. I doubt mine isn't working properly, but still a valid suggestion! I had Recaros fitted last week and had a ran in LCR 225 as a courtesy car. Whilst you could tell that the brakes had bedded in and the engine was loose, it was the same as mine performance wise, and as I say, mine seems as quick as the S3 in terms of in gear acceleration. It had probably been chipped, it looked discrete but it did sound good too.

07-06-2005, 07:54	#11
foxy42 I am your DADDY! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 165	Ooops, sorry, k03s yeh? I'm still a bit of a noob on cupras... Will try not to post in future unless I am 100%... __________________ Simply Slammed Mk2 Valver...Leon or Beezer 20vt soon...

07-06-2005, 08:47	#12
warren_cox Mostly riding B8-T5-F7 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On another planet: Car: Audi S3 Posts: 4,861	If its any consolation mate despite the fact that the LCR may sounds as if its the fastest car in the world from reading this site the reality is its not. In gear acceleration is good, but our cars carry a lot of excess baggage in terms of 18" spare, lots of excess bodykit, and that fat 225 lump in the front. Whether from a power to ratio a standard 225 is that much quicker than a standard Cupra is debatable (let alone a chipped Cupra). I am on my 2nd Leon Cupra R 225, both have been remapped (one by AmD, the other by Revo), and although the Revo car I have now is quicker its still not what I call savagely quick. They just dont put down the extra power that well away from the lights - more of a hinderance than a benefit. Also you car is low mileage. They don't start to really open up until 20k+ miles. I am considering Racelogic traction control for mine next year as a step in the right direction. Also the dogbone mount to help the keep the ESP from constantly flickering. Then, hopefully a full Milltek may help to give the car a bit more shove. Don't get me wrong, as cars go they are very quick, but they need a bit of modification and a few miles on them to extract the best from them (and a set of decent tyres). __________________ Audi gAy3

07-06-2005, 08:51	#13
ronnie939 Full Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: London & Northampton Posts: 310	I have to say I have had the 210 Revo LCR and that was bloody fast, Miles faster than the LC that I had for the test drive, Having said that I now have a REVO'D FR TDI and dont miss the LCR as much as I thought I would. __________________ Mk2 Leon Tdi Sport , and a Focus Focus ST2 .

07-06-2005, 09:27	#14
RobDon Senior member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 6,331	At only 2000 miles I think your engine will still be tight, I heard they don't loosen off properly until 10,000 miles, chances are he was also remapped - an LC with around 210 will keep up with a stock LCR. Give it time, have it mapped and you should see off most LC's. There really isn't that much difference between the LC and LCR on the road, paper figures don't mean that much in the real world. On the 1/4 mile most LC and LCR's cut about the same times, around 14.5.

07-06-2005, 09:56	#15
W4YNE HERE COMES LUNCH : - P Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Midlands Posts: 343	I had a little blast with Alex (of here) he has a jabba'd cupra, whilst I had a standard LCR. From a standing start the arse end of his car was in line with the nose of mine (seperate lanes) and it basically stayed like that until about half way through 4th when I started gaining on him & then by at the end of 4th I was ahead with Alex just behind, before breaking (Run out of track). Wasn't a lot in it really, we both drove each others car as well, Alex seem'd to think mine picked up quicker, but I was equally impressed with his remapped Cupra. The remap gave it that extra punch, which to me, made it feel that bit more punchier than mine. So based on my experience I'd say that a remapped LC is on par with an LCR, So me thinks the cupra you raced was possibly chipped. __________________ Last edited by W4YNE; 07-06-2005 at 10:04.

07-06-2005, 13:46	#16
NumberoftheBeast Full Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Manchester Posts: 360	Cheers for all the comments people. I have thought it over and if he was remapped, he wouldn't have said so in case I battered him around. Saying the car is standard is to avoid embarassment just in case and also add salt to any wound should one occur. I love a good race though and haven't had the opportunity to do it in the LCR. Something just says that the guy was not standard - before he even saw me on the road I could see him ahead and the car was not hanging around. I reckon it was definitely remapped, the fella knew his stuff about the cars too. Is 2000 miles too early for a remap? I considered JBS but they are pretty steep (no, effing vertical) for a custom remap and you have to pay extra for a rolling road. Has anyone else had their LCR Jabbad on here? I'm thinking of calling them this week.

07-06-2005, 13:50	#17
225 Full Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 2,052	Have a search on REVO, JABBA, REMAP, etc more info than you could shake a stick at. __________________

07-06-2005, 13:51	#18
NumberoftheBeast Full Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Manchester Posts: 360	Cheers! I've done so and there's just too much hehe. I need it in lay terms people. I love my cars, but I don't understand them hehe.

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