New Leon 1.9 TDI - SEAT Cupra.net

MattCupra · 12-09-2005, 14:11

anyone driven the 1.9 TDI yet?

never had a TDI before and interested to know whether the 1.9 feels underpowered or if it's sufficient for every day use - thinking about buying a 1.9 stylance for the Mrs as our everyday run about.

is this a new engine / the same as the new generation golf - or have VW palmed SEAT off with an old engine?

also any advice on when is the best time in the calendar year to buy? I'm likely to be looking from November onwards, and wonder when I'm most likely to be able to get a discount (if that's possible on a brand new model!)?

thanks

**sssstew** · 12-09-2005, 16:57

as far as i know its the 1.9 PD from the existing model. the only new tdi they are using is the new 2.0l one, 140bhp.

LeakyTurnip · 12-09-2005, 17:49

I've been out in the 1.9TDI Stylance, its a great engine and you really only notice the clatter when it's not on the move. Loads of mid-range torque and a really slick gearchange too.

I've ordered a 1.6 Stylance

as I don't do the mileage to justify a diesel. As for deals, I don't think there will be any, anytime soon. The dealers seem to be selling enough just on interest alone.

I got Metallic paint, Rear Parking sensors , mats, flaps and a full tank of fuel thrown in...I suppose it's better that nothing!

**sssstew** · 13-09-2005, 14:15

rather you than me with the astmatic 1.6

vwsurfbum · 13-09-2005, 14:50

the 1.6 seems quite lively and the 1.9 tdi is still as good as it has always been. if you feel it needs more kick get it revo'd! (when they've done the program) remember the 1.9 tdi in the new leon is still 105bhp which is still quite high compared with other non VAG companies.

JK1 · 13-09-2005, 15:48

I don't think the 1.9tdi is the same 1.9tdi that is in the mk1 Leon. The new one is a PD engine with 105bhp the old one was non-PD and 110bhp.

**Saul** · 13-09-2005, 15:56

drove the 140 sport and it went very well indeed

*BeezerDiesel* · 13-09-2005, 16:19

Same engine as in the Beezer 100bhp TDI and also used in the MK5 Golf and just about every other model VAG range that it fits into, probably with the exception of Lambos (!).

They may have made it Euro 4 Compliant for the new generation Leon now though as in other VW models that use it.

Plenty of re-mapping companies can get it to 150bhp or thereabouts so could be a very viable engine option.

*Kam* · 13-09-2005, 16:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by JK1

I don't think the 1.9tdi is the same 1.9tdi that is in the mk1 Leon. The new one is a PD engine with 105bhp the old one was non-PD and 110bhp.

PD produces less BHP than non-PD

*BeezerDiesel* · 13-09-2005, 16:43

Depends on what ECU map it has plus other detail differences, turbo, IC etc.
Obviously they detune the cheapest model so they can sell more upmarket ones that have more profit built in.

It may have 10bhp (or even 5bhp depending on application) less on paper but the torque figures are the same if not better for the PD engine and it also feels a bit more punchy to drive as standard.

*Kam* · 13-09-2005, 16:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeezerDiesel

Depends on what ECU map it has plus other detail differences, turbo, IC etc.
Obviously they detune the cheapest model so they can sell more upmarket ones that have more profit built in.

It may have 10bhp (or even 5bhp depending on application) less on paper but the torque figures are the same if not better for the PD engine and it also feels a bit more punchy to drive as standard.

Ahh..see! I suppose it is like the different varations of BHP with the 1.8T engine

s22jcd · 13-09-2005, 21:46

Hi LeakyTurnip,

Just a quick question, how much did u pay for ur car all in?

Im looking at buying the 1.9 stylance with parking sensors, m paint, leather - just looking to see if the dealer would do me a deal on the extras. At the moment if said he can not comment till he works out the value of my current car that i am part exing.

LeakyTurnip · 13-09-2005, 21:54

Dealer wouldn't budge on the list price £12995, as for the extras they were thrown in as part of the deal. I suppose I didn't come off too bad in the end!

The leather interior would be nice, but just a little pricey...

Just out of interest what colour are you looking at? I'm going for Zenith Grey, the only problem is that apparently no other SEAT has that colour at the moment so I'm not too sure what it'll look like!

Good Luck with the car...

s22jcd · 13-09-2005, 22:02

i was over the dealer today looking at the metallic black. looked wonderfully.

So ill be doing very well if i get the same as u ("Metallic paint, Rear Parking sensors , mats, flaps and a full tank of fuel thrown in")

U going to give me any tips.

when u picking yours up from the dealer?

LeakyTurnip · 13-09-2005, 22:11

If I had any tips i would! I did string the deal out a little so maybe that helped!

Not 100% on the delivery yet

. Last check the dealer said about 10-14 days so your guess is a good as mine!

The one I test drove was metallic black and looked great, but I'd just imagine seeing every little scrape and scratch on it. Going by the little paint sample the Grey is just that bit lighter so hopefuly I might get round that problem!

s22jcd · 13-09-2005, 22:15

ok. ill string the deal out. ill let you no when the sale is comfirmed.

Im having problems at the moment getting an insurance quote for it. All internet sites dont seem to have it listed in its databases.

LeakyTurnip · 13-09-2005, 22:18

I had the same problem...got a quote from the AA they have the new models listed and they were the cheapest.

Mercury · 14-09-2005, 09:11

NU Direct have it online.

paradyne · 14-09-2005, 09:30

@LeakyTurnip

Perry's in Aylesbury have a Zenith Grey model. Its quite a dark shade of grey (somewhere in between the Platinum and the Black Magic) and was my initial choice from the brochure, however I've now switched to Lluvia Blue as my pick.

I bet there's gonna be mainly black and silver models on the road so I want different!

the cat · 14-09-2005, 10:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by paradyne

@LeakyTurnip

Perry's in Aylesbury have a Zenith Grey model. Its quite a dark shade of grey (somewhere in between the Platinum and the Black Magic) and was my initial choice from the brochure, however I've now switched to Lluvia Blue as my pick.

I bet there's gonna be mainly black and silver models on the road so I want different!

Saw the zenith colour at my local stealers - very nice indeed. Drove the TDi sport as well - good drive, slick gearchange, steering weights up nicely on the move, lightens when you park. Wheel is nice to hold. Waiting patiently for an FR or better - its tough though.

12-09-2005, 14:11	#1
MattCupra Full Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Andover Posts: 63	New Leon 1.9 TDI anyone driven the 1.9 TDI yet? never had a TDI before and interested to know whether the 1.9 feels underpowered or if it's sufficient for every day use - thinking about buying a 1.9 stylance for the Mrs as our everyday run about. is this a new engine / the same as the new generation golf - or have VW palmed SEAT off with an old engine? also any advice on when is the best time in the calendar year to buy? I'm likely to be looking from November onwards, and wonder when I'm most likely to be able to get a discount (if that's possible on a brand new model!)? thanks __________________ Matt Mk1 MY03 Leon Cupra E90 BMW 320d SE

12-09-2005, 16:57	#2
sssstew Editing your spelling Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sunny Side Up Posts: 6,651	as far as i know its the 1.9 PD from the existing model. the only new tdi they are using is the new 2.0l one, 140bhp. __________________

13-09-2005, 14:15	#4
sssstew Editing your spelling Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sunny Side Up Posts: 6,651	rather you than me with the astmatic 1.6 __________________

13-09-2005, 14:50	#5
vwsurfbum YOU'LL NEVER CATCH ME!! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: essex Posts: 266	the 1.6 seems quite lively and the 1.9 tdi is still as good as it has always been. if you feel it needs more kick get it revo'd! (when they've done the program) remember the 1.9 tdi in the new leon is still 105bhp which is still quite high compared with other non VAG companies. __________________ On A Mission!

13-09-2005, 15:48	#6
JK1 Full Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bedford Posts: 183	I don't think the 1.9tdi is the same 1.9tdi that is in the mk1 Leon. The new one is a PD engine with 105bhp the old one was non-PD and 110bhp. __________________ Seat Leon 2.0 TDI Sport (140bhp) Mk2 '06, Zenith Grey with Convenience pack, Bluetooth + MP3, Heated Seats, Parking Sensors, Xenon's

12-09-2005, 17:49	#3
LeakyTurnip Mull Fember Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: N.Ireland Posts: 176	I've been out in the 1.9TDI Stylance, its a great engine and you really only notice the clatter when it's not on the move. Loads of mid-range torque and a really slick gearchange too. I've ordered a 1.6 Stylance as I don't do the mileage to justify a diesel. As for deals, I don't think there will be any, anytime soon. The dealers seem to be selling enough just on interest alone. I got Metallic paint, Rear Parking sensors , mats, flaps and a full tank of fuel thrown in...I suppose it's better that nothing!

13-09-2005, 15:56	#7
Saul SCN Admin Join Date: May 2001 Location: Manchester Posts: 4,550	drove the 140 sport and it went very well indeed __________________ Saul SCN Admin email: saul@seatcupra.net url: http://www.seatcupra.net BMW E91 335i SNWMAPS 'Ring Tour 2003

13-09-2005, 16:19	#8
BeezerDiesel Minus a Diesel Beezer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Exeter Posts: 1,898	Same engine as in the Beezer 100bhp TDI and also used in the MK5 Golf and just about every other model VAG range that it fits into, probably with the exception of Lambos (!). They may have made it Euro 4 Compliant for the new generation Leon now though as in other VW models that use it. Plenty of re-mapping companies can get it to 150bhp or thereabouts so could be a very viable engine option. __________________ Andy 2011 Golf GTI (Sunday best) 1997 Ibiza GTI (daily driver)

13-09-2005, 16:43	#10
BeezerDiesel Minus a Diesel Beezer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Exeter Posts: 1,898	Depends on what ECU map it has plus other detail differences, turbo, IC etc. Obviously they detune the cheapest model so they can sell more upmarket ones that have more profit built in. It may have 10bhp (or even 5bhp depending on application) less on paper but the torque figures are the same if not better for the PD engine and it also feels a bit more punchy to drive as standard. __________________ Andy 2011 Golf GTI (Sunday best) 1997 Ibiza GTI (daily driver)

13-09-2005, 21:46	#12
s22jcd Full Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 102	Hi LeakyTurnip, Just a quick question, how much did u pay for ur car all in? Im looking at buying the 1.9 stylance with parking sensors, m paint, leather - just looking to see if the dealer would do me a deal on the extras. At the moment if said he can not comment till he works out the value of my current car that i am part exing.

13-09-2005, 21:54	#13
LeakyTurnip Mull Fember Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: N.Ireland Posts: 176	Dealer wouldn't budge on the list price £12995, as for the extras they were thrown in as part of the deal. I suppose I didn't come off too bad in the end! The leather interior would be nice, but just a little pricey... Just out of interest what colour are you looking at? I'm going for Zenith Grey, the only problem is that apparently no other SEAT has that colour at the moment so I'm not too sure what it'll look like! Good Luck with the car...

13-09-2005, 22:02	#14
s22jcd Full Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 102	i was over the dealer today looking at the metallic black. looked wonderfully. So ill be doing very well if i get the same as u ("Metallic paint, Rear Parking sensors , mats, flaps and a full tank of fuel thrown in") U going to give me any tips. when u picking yours up from the dealer?

13-09-2005, 22:11	#15
LeakyTurnip Mull Fember Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: N.Ireland Posts: 176	If I had any tips i would! I did string the deal out a little so maybe that helped! Not 100% on the delivery yet . Last check the dealer said about 10-14 days so your guess is a good as mine! The one I test drove was metallic black and looked great, but I'd just imagine seeing every little scrape and scratch on it. Going by the little paint sample the Grey is just that bit lighter so hopefuly I might get round that problem!

13-09-2005, 22:15	#16
s22jcd Full Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 102	ok. ill string the deal out. ill let you no when the sale is comfirmed. Im having problems at the moment getting an insurance quote for it. All internet sites dont seem to have it listed in its databases.

13-09-2005, 22:18	#17
LeakyTurnip Mull Fember Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: N.Ireland Posts: 176	I had the same problem...got a quote from the AA they have the new models listed and they were the cheapest.

14-09-2005, 09:11	#18
Mercury One of Ford's Finest... Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 31	NU Direct have it online.

14-09-2005, 09:30	#19
paradyne Full Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 80	@LeakyTurnip Perry's in Aylesbury have a Zenith Grey model. Its quite a dark shade of grey (somewhere in between the Platinum and the Black Magic) and was my initial choice from the brochure, however I've now switched to Lluvia Blue as my pick. I bet there's gonna be mainly black and silver models on the road so I want different! __________________ Nick R Seat Leon 2.0TDI Sport, Lluvia Blue, Xenons 51300 miles 44.6 avg MPG

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