New ibiza fr or fiesta st

[sotonjoe]

well then chaps...

which would you go for (if you were being as objective as possible).

I've only driven a diesel fiesta previously and thought it felt rock solid. with regards to the ibiza, I'm a little bit perturbed about all the comments regarding wind noise etc at high speed - I don't want motorway cruising to become a chore!

 

[depresion]

The Ibiza dose seem to be a bit louder than most modern cars when crusing at motorway speeds but it's nothing turning the radio up a couple of notches dosn't fix. Considering all of my family's expereances with Fords I'd stay well away from them.

 

[Triple D]

Try the fr tdi, i garranty you'll be hooked. Torque all the way

 

[T. Spark]

Hi there, tbh noise on the motorway I cant see it being too bad.

If you go for the TDi Ibiza then ur revs will be at 2.2k at motorway speed or in my case 4k

But, in the fezza your'll be looking at 5k cruising speed!

I did test drive a Fiesta, and tho I dont beleive its slower than mine, didnt like the set up, and couldnt stad the lack or torque (DERV all the way baby!) If you did go for the petrol FR, then I believe it would be quicker than a ST tbh.

As for bends... im pretty sure the ST got a good write up, but I didnt like it, didnt feel right to me... but then again im the nutter that throws my heavy DERV round a roundabout to keep up a scooby!!

Id say toake both for a test drive, you have to remember the DERV FR is a PD130 good for a remap to 170bhp as standard has 130bhp and LOADS of torque. Whilst the ST is petrol only. Best DERV to hope for is the TDCI or something with like 90bhp if that, did ask but got dis-interested very quickly when they said 1.6 or something.

I asked if the ST had a "turbo" to the sales-man, knowing it didnt, and he was like, erm... I said it didnt... his reply was well its 16Valve, its like the same thing

LOL.... Seat sales-man arent much better tho

 

[warren_cox]

Sooty FR is a great car, but for out and out handle the ST will open a can of whoop ass.

New Ibiza FR models due out soon with Cupra bumper kits, so may be worth waiting for them (pics in Autocar this month I think ..... or is it auto express)

 

[sotonjoe]

tbh the tdi version of the ibiza isn't an option as it isn't available on the 5.7% finance and there's no way I'm going to pay seat's usual rates.

May have to give the petrol fr a test drive though, little concerned about getting an old model when the new one is about to come out alhtough I'm sure the prices will be silly on the new ones to start with.

 

[T. Spark]

Id wait for the face-lift m8, should be a few weeks really now...

I reckon the FR 20VT will be quicker in a straight line, and cant see it being worst around a corner than the ST.

As for looks.... well...

 

[Ant FR]

fr tdi all the way,

you can tune the 20vt to 230Bhp quite easily, but torque is no better than a standard Tdi

As for the ST, all show and no go. usually fiesta crap from ford, the last good fiesta was made in 1992 and it had a turbo, since then nothing.

my fr is back to standard and i have to admit it is quite nimble at 150bhp and still quicke, and a lot quicker than a fiesta st. although the brakes are quite shocking. Handling wise, i think you woul dhave to be a very good driver to ring the best from the ST for us mere mortals the handling is not much different between the 2.

 

[sotonjoe]

do we know if the tdi is available on the 5.7% promotion then?

 

[Ol' Timer]

tbh the tdi version of the ibiza isn't an option as it isn't available on the 5.7% finance and there's no way I'm going to pay seat's usual rates..

According to the SEAT site it sounds as if it should qualify for the finance offer:
http://www.seat.co.uk/generator/su/uk/ibiza/site/offers/offer-2006-01-FINANCE/main.html
I have to agree that it would be better to wait for the face-lifted version though, as I am sure the older models will take a big price hit when the new version comes out.

 

[Cupra Kid]

Prob get flamed for this, but the fiesta is imo better looking than the mk4 ibiza with the ST kit on. Also you could get a blue one with white racing stripes!

also the ford is:
cheaper to tax
better mpg
quicker to 60

however the ibiza is:
turboe'd (greater tuning potential)
quieter
faster at top end
not a ford (which means it shouldnt become a chav magnet)

All the above for the petrol models as thats what you said you could afford.

http://www.parkers.co.uk/choosing/specs/data.aspx?model_id=797&id=27804
http://www.parkers.co.uk/choosing/specs/data.aspx?model_id=238&id=32683

Hope that helps you

 

[Ant FR]

not quicker to 60 than he fr 20vt as most mags have shown, and a lot quicker in gear, is evenquicker thant the 182 clio in some increments

 

[T. Spark]

Cupra Kid - Flamed?! Nah! I know where you live

Personal taste, but a FR in my eyes (pre face-lift & face-lift) looks nicer than a wanna be Mustang!

 

[sotonjoe]

yeh the fr tdi is on the offer... didn't notice the small print.

Quite a performance drop fom the petrol according to the specs though.


wonder what the finance would be like if i put a couple of grand down?

may have to give the dealer a call. Still not sure whether to go for the pre reg leon fr that i saw instead though

 

[Cupra Kid]

Cupra Kid - Flamed?! Nah! I know where you live

Personal taste, but a FR in my eyes (pre face-lift & face-lift) looks nicer than a wanna be Mustang!

Yes but i would hear the DERV monster coming a mile off and do a runner

 

[pbirkett]

fr tdi all the way,

you can tune the 20vt to 230Bhp quite easily, but torque is no better than a standard Tdi

Peak torque figure yes, but on the road, presumably the 20VT has shorter gearing due to having more revs to play with (not to mention a flatter torque curve), and the difference at the wheels is not that much in the real world.

Back to the topic, FR or ST ? Depends what you want. The Fiesta is probably more fun to drive and a better handler overall... and although not that keen on the ST lookswise, i do slightly prefer it to the Beezer.

However, the beezer (either version) will be easier to drive in the real world, and is likely to be better built.

Horses for courses.

Apparently the ST is going to be quite tunable, apparently Cosworth(?) are doing a kit for a couple of grand that takes it to 210 bhp.... Not cheap, but then 210 bhp of naturally aspirated fun does sound like a laugh.

Edit: I've read some magazines that actually rate the smaller engined Zetec S model as a better drive... make of that what you will.

 

[T. Spark]

Yes but i would hear the DERV monster coming a mile off and do a runner

Where would you run to? Id just follow and wait for you to run out of fuel

As for slower, well the TDi FR with a remap does 0-60 in 6.95 seconds (with good driver etc etc etc)

If you spent £500 on a ST on performance you wouldnt see that sort 0-60!

Depend how much you want to tune the car aswell, if your just after zorst, remap, FMIC a DERV will see 190bhp-200bhp and 300+lb ft

If you want to go mental then your money is going to be best spent on a 20VT where you can see real nice figures aka 230bhp+

Couple of £££ to get a ST to 210bhp or a couple of £££ to get ya FR to 230+bhp hmmm!? PLUS TURBO!

Muwahaha!

 

[Cupra Kid]

yes but i bet i could out drive ya and loose ya sparkster

anyway back to the thread, if you are going to tune and the cars on the the offer then the TDi FR is the best car no doubt. you'll be getting 170bhp ish froma remap (check with sparkster) tanning most hot hatches insight and still be doing 45mpg.

 

[T. Spark]

Cupra Kid isnt wrong.... about the mpg and bhp... of course the rest of what he said, early on in his post is just plain silly!

Mine was remapped and I got mine RR'd at 171bhp tho it isnt all about what peak bhp you get, etc etc.

I turned my remap off last week, and tbh... was upset at how slow, and no torque the car had without my remap!

3 days later, and my remap was back on!

Im not going to start throwing claimed "Ive beaten this, la la la" but its made mine step it up a gear.

Ive kept up with (in a full legal enviroment, aka motorway, up to 70mph not bragging etc)

172, 182 (not sure if cup or not) a 225 (tho think he didnt know how to drive!)

The remap has even meant I can play with standard LC 180's! Up to a point, then mine runs out of steam Normally above the legal limit on all roads, so doesnt really bother me.

And I like the fact I get 400 miles out of my tank, even when giving it some, and how easy it is to see 500+ miles if drivin like a saint.

For all out noise, and performance the 20vt is the way to go tho, im thinking once ive paid my car off in so, so many years (got bout 3/4 years left) im going to either get a Ibiza mk4 Cupra 180 or a LCR.... money permitting, and insurance

 

[sotonjoe]

Peak torque figure yes, but on the road, presumably the 20VT has shorter gearing due to having more revs to play with (not to mention a flatter torque curve), and the difference at the wheels is not that much in the real world.

Back to the topic, FR or ST ? Depends what you want. The Fiesta is probably more fun to drive and a better handler overall... and although not that keen on the ST lookswise, i do slightly prefer it to the Beezer.

However, the beezer (either version) will be easier to drive in the real world, and is likely to be better built.

Horses for courses.

Apparently the ST is going to be quite tunable, apparently Cosworth(?) are doing a kit for a couple of grand that takes it to 210 bhp.... Not cheap, but then 210 bhp of naturally aspirated fun does sound like a laugh.

Edit: I've read some magazines that actually rate the smaller engined Zetec S model as a better drive... make of that what you will.

yeh i've seen some people rate the zetec z better as well. That's interesting seeing as it's availbale with a discount of over a grand at the moment and at 5.7%. If they'd still knock a bit extra off and it drives well I may be interested.

I could go all out and get a leon fr but it would be the very maximum of what I could afford.