FR - Steering gear ratio

serdar_18fr

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Hi there,

One of my fascinations in the world of car mechanics is the steering system. I always wanted to be informed of steering system specs, such as the number of steering wheel turns, steering gear ratio, turning radius etc. but manufacturers generally do not seem interested in sharing this information. So I try to gather some of those data myself when needed. It's not always exact but mostly enough to give some idea.

My car has the DCC package which includes "progressive steering" in SEAT speak. Some automotive publications and even SEAT's own documents mention shortly about this progressive steering feature and they say it is a speed-dependent system. I find this information highly suspicious, because as far as I know a speed-dependent system is about altering the level of electric/hydraulic assistance depending on the speed and our cars may or may not have it. On the other hand, a progressive steering system is something else altogether, as I know from my previous car and some other cars I've read about: The mechanical gearing of such a system has different ratios on the extremes of the rack than on the middle. So turning the steering wheel near the center has a different effect on the wheel than it has near the sides.

This morning I made some measurements on my parked car, by turning the wheel to predefined angles in 90-degree steps and taking note of the angle of the wheel. My findings are consistent with what I said about the variable gearing above :

Steering wheel angle Wheel angle Ratio
---------------------- ------------- -----
90 ... 11.478 ... 1:7.841
180 ... 18.994 ... 1:9.476
270 ... 25.418 ... 1:10.622
360 ... 33.714 ... 1:10.678

As one can see from the data above, turning the steering wheel 8 degrees near the center turns the wheel 1 degree, while it needs 10 degrees of steering wheel movement for that 1 degree of wheel turns near the lock. This looks consistent with what I know about the "progressive steering" systems.

But what I find interesting is the very-low looking gear ratios. Some luxury cars have systems with 16:1 or 18:1 ratios, most of the mainstream cars have 14:1 or 15:1 ratios and some cars with sporting tendencies have 12:1 steering systems. The results I have here are between 8:1 and 11:1 and that seemed very low to me and I thought that I may be making some mistakes when taking the measurements or calculating.

Now I need to verify this measurement results with some concrete data from the factory to satisfy my curiosity.
Any information on this would be highly appreciated.

Cheers,
Serdar
 
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SuperV8

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From this video:

Steering wheel turns lock to lock;
MQB basic 2.7
MQB Progressive 2.1

Steering ratio;
MQB basic 13.2:1
MQB Progressive 10.5:1

We have something called Ackermann steering geometry (on all cars) which means you can't just measure the angle/ratio of one wheel vs the steering wheel.
 
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serdar_18fr

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From this video:

Steering wheel turns lock to lock;
MQB basic 2.7
MQB Progressive 2.1

Steering ratio;
MQB basic 13.2:1
MQB Progressive 10.5:1

We have something called Ackermann steering geometry (on all cars) which means you can't just measure the angle/ratio of one wheel vs the steering wheel.


Thank you very much for the video link.

So I was correct to think that SEAT's own documents (such as this one: SEAT Glossary )
and also some automotive news sites mentioning the progressive steering feature as a speed-dependent system were erroneous.

By the way, the single ratio (not a range) that they have given does not seem so far away from what I measured at 360 degrees (very near the lock) as a cumulative value, which was like 10.7.

My previous car was a '07 Corsa Sport (SRi in UK), which had a sports chassis and progressive steering too, with 2.4 turns and a ratio between 12:1 and 14:1.
I was very happy with it and this one is quicker than that! :love:
It's nice of VW group to give us such an exclusive feature on a mainstream car.
It's not a thing many manufacturers do these days and I appreciate that.

Cheers,
Serdar
 

SuperV8

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Thank you very much for the video link.

So I was correct to think that SEAT's own documents (such as this one: SEAT Glossary )
and also some automotive news sites mentioning the progressive steering feature as a speed-dependent system were erroneous.

By the way, the single ratio (not a range) that they have given does not seem so far away from what I measured at 360 degrees (very near the lock) as a cumulative value, which was like 10.7.

My previous car was a '07 Corsa Sport (SRi in UK), which had a sports chassis and progressive steering too, with 2.4 turns and a ratio between 12:1 and 14:1.
I was very happy with it and this one is quicker than that! :love:
It's nice of VW group to give us such an exclusive feature on a mainstream car.
It's not a thing many manufacturers do these days and I appreciate that.

Cheers,
Serdar
Yes, the variable ratio is not a speed dependent - but angle dependent:

From VW:
"In technical terms, progressive steering features variable tooth spacing on the rack and pinion and a more powerful electric motor than the standard electromechanical steering."

So it's still a gear and pinion rack but with uneven spacing of the teeth on the rack. The power assistance of course can easily vary with speed.
 
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