tuning boxes...

[dw911]

You'd be surprised what the insurance companies know about you if they choose to look before an assessor even looks at your car. I work for the company that provide all the big companies their anti fraud tech. All it would take is for you to mention 'remap' on here and use any details which are shared with your insurance account.

I don't doubt that for a minute,things have moved on somewhat in the last few years what with the event of the internet and social media, its now very very easy/cheap/quick to check on someone which is why insurance companies use it.
Whereas that same info only a few years ago would have taken a long time to find, cost a lot of money and was far from easy, so not something an insurance company/assessor would do

My point was, the last statement skidpad made was something I'd heard said hundreds of times and based on mine and others first hand experience at the time and up to a few years ago was more a nice urban legend than fact and a good story to try to stop kids souping up their ford escorts and mg's

 

[DeanC]

I get you, internet chat turned fact.

 

[DeanC]

DTUK have tested the CRD-T on their octavia VRS project car. Very tempted:

 

[luntley24]

I know iv been looking at there gains and iv heard mixed opinions. Some say they are ace, some say stay away. I think its one of them things that you have to just go for it and work on your own opinions. But I'm tempted

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[DeanC]

I would never get a box unless it was a dte / dtuk. The whole remaps arw better things only stands up when compared to cheap smoke boxes.

 

[DeanC]

30bhp on the 1.4tsi:

 

[skidpan]

Its easy to make a pretend graph and put it on a website, proves nothing.

In my opinion the 1.4 TSi is brilliant as standard, why risk wrecking it. If you want extra power get a 1.8 TSi in the first place.

 

[DeanC]

If you go on their facebook page you can see the cars on the rollers etc. but each to their own on tuning I guess.

 

[RacerBice]

I have to agree with some other comments here: Price difference isn't huge between different drive-lines for Leon Mk3, so if you want more grunt then why not simply buy the bigger engine....? Why risk warranty (even if only theoretically) and reliability if you still have to pay extra for the mod? If you've bought the 184 oil burner or 180 petrol and want even more, then it might make some kind of sense. But even then only barely, with FWD.

I once re-mapped an S3, and yes, there was a noticeable result. But it's not like the car warped into entirely new performance territories, and already after a day or two I had gotten so used to it that I didn't really think that much about it but rather still felt the car could/should have even more. In terms of speed, I guess one can never have enough.

I also did the math in terms of fuel economy savings. I did get better mileage after the re-map, but even with 60.000 km in 1,5 years I didn't get level with the mod cost.

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[skidpan]

If you go on their facebook page you can see the cars on the rollers etc. but each to their own on tuning I guess.

How does a photo of a car on a rolling road prove anything. I could take a photo of my car on a rolling road and put up a graph, it would prove nothing.

 

[DeanC]

True enough mate but combine that with a brand where you are hard pushed to find a bad word said about their products or service across dozens of forums like this and it builds some trust - at least it does for me.

 

[AndrewJB]

The problem is most people who buy these boxes have never had any kind of tuning before in their life they get the box fitted and think wow the car feels amazing... they post a brilliant write up saying how good it is. Its the same as these people that use Joe Bloggs remaping he turns up in his van flashes a generic tune and the car feels faster, they come on forums and say how good he is.

if that owner was then to take it to somewhere and get a full logging session done on the car the outcome might be somewhat different... they might find that EGT's etc etc etc are actually in dangerous numbers.

i think Badger5 did some logging a few years ago on a so called specialist and found it to be terrible

 

[DeanC]

Can't argue with any of that. If I get a dtuk box it will be fitted and graphed at the same time to check all is ok and pick the optimum map / settings.

 

[kugaman1]

Tuning boxes are pretty risky. They put a higher loading on the commonrail to force fuel through at an ever higher pressure. This puts extra loading on the fuel system. If you plan to keep the car long term, i wouldnt recommend them. However, they do work well - i had one on a mondeo tdci many years ago. Saw the car in Dundee around 3 years /40,000 miles after id sold it. Spoke to the owner to tell her it was once my car. She said it had been a nightmare with lots of problems with the injectors! I only had the box on the car for around 6k. Certainly convinced me not to use one again.
However, remaps are generally tuned to the car with numerous specific parameters being adjusted in sympathy with each other, a much safer and more reliable way if increasing power.

 

[AndrewJB]

Can't argue with any of that. If I get a dtuk box it will be fitted and graphed at the same time to check all is ok and pick the optimum map / settings.

I'd like to see one properly logged to see how good they are if the logs come back good then that will prove these boxes are good

 

[DeanC]

Tuning boxes are pretty risky. They put a higher loading on the commonrail to force fuel through at an ever higher pressure. This puts extra loading on the fuel system. If you plan to keep the car long term, i wouldnt recommend them. However, they do work well - i had one on a mondeo tdci many years ago. Saw the car in Dundee around 3 years /40,000 miles after id sold it. Spoke to the owner to tell her it was once my car. She said it had been a nightmare with lots of problems with the injectors! I only had the box on the car for around 6k. Certainly convinced me not to use one again.
However, remaps are generally tuned to the car with numerous specific parameters being adjusted in sympathy with each other, a much safer and more reliable way if increasing power.

This is true for most boxes. However a good one works in the exact same way as a remap and is tailored to the car. On a dieael it basically ups fuel pressure and boost. Whether it does this at the ecu or further along the loop is irrelevant.

 

[kugaman1]

Dean c looking at your fuelly, your doing well with 55mpg average!

 

[DeanC]

It's ok, it's got a lot better than when it was new. I was getting 60mpg real world but the whole of the last tank nearly was short town journeys.

I do long motorway journeys normally.

 

[Fraczish]

Having previously had two cars remapped, the preformance was a massive improvent in both cases however the claimed gains in MPG never materialised in either car. In the Saab TID I had done it also made it smoke a lot more and overboost on full beans..
I'm now of the opinion that modern cars are setup to give the best fuel/emissions/reliabilty/preformance balance and any further after market tuning will almost certainly improve one or a number of these but at the detrement of some of the others.
Each to there own though..

 

[DeanC]

I've just ordered mine after the recent development work DTUK having being doing with Ben at shark performance on the 184 tdi. I will give honest feedback after I have had the chance to test it.