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Opinions - Should the Cupra have a 7 gear dsg box
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Had 7 speed on the Biza Cupra, but that had the 1.4 twincharger engine so had less power and needed it, the Leon with it's 2 litre motor doesn't.
Same engine/gearbox I have in my fabia vRS atm... its a nice little setup.
I thought the cupra would need the 7 speed too as it would be noisy at motorway speeds but i was surprised how low the revs were from what i remember on the test drive.
the next one will be 7, they put it in the ttrs, its in the new passat and it will be in the new cayman 4 pot no doubt.
Don't really think it needs it to be honest. So much torque that it pulls well in top at motorway speeds.
Drove a friends new 911 with the 7sp PDK and whilst the gearbox was the reason i bought a DSG, I just felt like it was constantly shuffling around the gears. Interestingly when in sport plus, the 911 never uses 7th gear anyway.
Drove a friends new 911 with the 7sp PDK and whilst the gearbox was the reason i bought a DSG, I just felt like it was constantly shuffling around the gears. Interestingly when in sport plus, the 911 never uses 7th gear anyway.
Just like the Cupra in sport/cupra, never go's into 6th, unless you toggle the gearstick to the D position instead of S.
They are different gearboxes which use completely different technology. The dry clutch DSG is proving to be very unreliable apparently.
The wet clutch 6 speed DSG is the one to have. Lots of articles about this. Honest John the car guru who writes for the Telegraph keeps warning the public about this. Check his website. I would post a link but not enough posts yet.
I believe the 7 speed (dry clutch) is in the 1.8 Leon.
The wet clutch 6 speed DSG is the one to have. Lots of articles about this. Honest John the car guru who writes for the Telegraph keeps warning the public about this. Check his website. I would post a link but not enough posts yet.
I believe the 7 speed (dry clutch) is in the 1.8 Leon.
And in the 1.4 Leon.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I haven't seen a single post on the Leon forum about failed Leon DSG gearboxes. And the recall thing was just an oil change which SEAT did for free.
Think the 1.2 and 1.8 have same 7 speed dry clutch DSG. Thanks for pointing out there's a brand new wet clutch 7 speed not fitted in Leon yet. Hidden differences in the technical design.
Perhaps it takes time for defects to show up so problems not reflected on this forum yet? Would be good if Honest John were mistaken, but that seems unlikely given the amount of info and feedback he has access to.
Perhaps it takes time for defects to show up so problems not reflected on this forum yet? Would be good if Honest John were mistaken, but that seems unlikely given the amount of info and feedback he has access to.
HJ reply to a question on his website yesterday:
"You'll get the very best satnav these days in a new Mazda 3 or a new Mazda 2. They also have excellent six-speed torque converter automatic transmissions. Avoid VAG 1.2 and 1.4 lire petrols and 1.6 diesels with DSG or s-tronic seven-speed automatic transmissions."
"You'll get the very best satnav these days in a new Mazda 3 or a new Mazda 2. They also have excellent six-speed torque converter automatic transmissions. Avoid VAG 1.2 and 1.4 lire petrols and 1.6 diesels with DSG or s-tronic seven-speed automatic transmissions."
Be very wary of the 7 speed DSG! They have a major flaw with the dry clutch pack that overheats and causes judder. I've just traded mine in as it got so bad the car was a nightmare to drive. Works perfect for the first hour or so but after that the judder can get quite violent (especially after a lot of up and down shifts on A and B roads but is fine on motorway). Do a search on DSG 7 speed clutch judder on google and you'll see what I mean - there are hundreds of posts on the subject. This is a known problem by VAG and replacing the clutch pack only fixes the problem for a short while and it comes back. There is 'apparently' a fix and a modified clutch pack but a search on google reveals that it doesn't work long term. There was an advisory sent out by VW saying they are awaiting a fix but as of yet there isn't one that is permanent. Incidentally my car had only 40k on it!
The DSG fluid change was part of a recall in China due to mechatrnics shorting out caused by humidity and use of synthetic oil (although this problem happens in other parts of the world as well and the fix is to change the oil to mineral oil). The gearbox oil and mechatronic oil is separate on the DSG 7 which is different to the wet clutch 6 speed DSG that shares the oil in the mechatronics unit, clutch and gearbox hence it needs replacing so often. So replacing just the oil on in the gearbox on the 7 speed DSG won't do anything and to do the mechatronic oil change is highly specialist!
As far as I have read VAG are working on a new actuator to prevent judder/poor clutch engagement on the newer cars but I have no idea if this has been implemented yet.
The DSG fluid change was part of a recall in China due to mechatrnics shorting out caused by humidity and use of synthetic oil (although this problem happens in other parts of the world as well and the fix is to change the oil to mineral oil). The gearbox oil and mechatronic oil is separate on the DSG 7 which is different to the wet clutch 6 speed DSG that shares the oil in the mechatronics unit, clutch and gearbox hence it needs replacing so often. So replacing just the oil on in the gearbox on the 7 speed DSG won't do anything and to do the mechatronic oil change is highly specialist!
As far as I have read VAG are working on a new actuator to prevent judder/poor clutch engagement on the newer cars but I have no idea if this has been implemented yet.
Quite happy with the 6.
It would be nice to be able to drop down to 1.500 for motorway cruising, but 2.500 isn't bad.
It would be nice to be able to drop down to 1.500 for motorway cruising, but 2.500 isn't bad.
The early dry 7speed dsg's reported mechatronics problems in plenty golf forums. As far as I understand, the design have been revised / altered, the fluids have been changed and there are no more failure reports.
I'm really happy with my 7spd. I was weary at first but decided to go ahead as the car is very young and should have all revisions from the factory.
The box is super smooth and the 7th really helps with the rpms in motorways
The box is limited to 250 torques, that's why you won't find it in higher spec engines
I'm really happy with my 7spd. I was weary at first but decided to go ahead as the car is very young and should have all revisions from the factory.
The box is super smooth and the 7th really helps with the rpms in motorways
The box is limited to 250 torques, that's why you won't find it in higher spec engines
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I say yes. The RS3 7 speed is a superb box, in effect you have the equivalent of 2 traditional "3rd gears" with 3rd and 4th because they are shorter ratios, 7th is just the cruising/fuel saver gear.
What we really want is the 3 shaft Stronic/DSG developed for the R8 V10+
Link removed, better link in post below
What we really want is the 3 shaft Stronic/DSG developed for the R8 V10+
Link removed, better link in post below
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i hope by the time im due for a replacement that box is available and any problems have been found and resolved 
link to webpage for those who'd rather not click a direct download http://audi-encounter.com/magazine/technology/02-2012/86-shift-work
link to webpage for those who'd rather not click a direct download
http://audi-encounter.com/magazine/technology/02-2012/86-shift-work
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