Collision avoidance assistance

[Tell]

If the camera or radar are out of adjustment then the system shuts off and demands a calibration.

The error codes. It could be they are designed to get a level of muck on the sensor from new before they bed in. A shiny new car being more error prone. I dont as I said get the false positives that I first got with activity going on, on the side of the roads like lories turning round, as I said when the car was new. That's settled down. Just leaves wet foliage on bends for a pre warning. It has saved a front impact twice once by the co-driver watching planes in the sky in slow moving traffic round an airport in Germany and once for me on sudden breaking of the car in front as I was checking for traffic coming in on the right (needed two pairs of eyes on that one so front assist helped out). A stuffed up roundabout... will be the exit road so they slammed their breaks on infront of me. Delights of Harlow road network unlike Milton Keynes where roundabout dont get stuffed up ... my excuse. All was good.

 

[Tell]

The unfortunate thing now is most of these issues are software related. There's not much can be done by anyone at dealer level. It's manufacturer and product development that needs to take the baton.

Which brings in the question of whether you really want a Seat / Cupra these days if they build cars with software bugs . That nice new inviting car could be a can of worms underneath.

 

[James_R]

Which brings in the question of whether you really want a Seat / Cupra these days if they build cars with software bugs . That nice new inviting car could be a can of worms underneath.

You'll find that there are issues with practically any new product that hits the market. It's not isolated to vehicles.

 

[tracktoy]

If there is a big enough market I am sure the hackers will start to make tools to fix these sort of issues.

 

[James_R]

If there is a big enough market I am sure the hackers will start to make tools to fix these sort of issues.

The tools are already there. It's the software that needs correcting to meet the users needs.

 

[tracktoy]

Sorry I appreciate VAG tools are out there but software with the correct hacking tools can be changed. And no I am not thinking about Obd11/vcds tools.

 

[Tell]

You'll find that there are issues with practically any new product that hits the market. It's not isolated to vehicles.

How good the staff are at sorting it out. Why people scarpered from Cupra with the MQB Evo platform. We are told its sorted out now but issues still mount. Across all the Vag brand. Fortunately I'm not looking as mused before, Seat downsizing their model range and only interesting bigger SUVs in the Cupra line up means lack of dealers to see these vehicles locally, whilst Seat dealership would service them or the MG dealership down the road. Calling in a Cupra dealership recently it was a joke. Cars the door handles didnt work and the windows left open so you could get into them. BYD had a tie on how good their sale staff were at selling cars, D-.

Seat has a double whammy of tech that doesnt work and reduced model range compared to it's opposition. Cupra high prices, more tech but tech that doesnt work . VAGs in roads to the Chinese market have been rejected by Chinese buyers. Not too sure where we are with their Chinese co partners buying their unwanted factories in Europe.

Just as well I'm not planning to change cars for another 5 years then see where we are. If you are going to buy a car that breaks down you'd buy a car with a dealership of where you live or one with a good distributed network. Cupra fails on that by what VAG did creating the separate brand. Thin Seat model range, thin Cupra access to dealerships. Loose, loose, not a win, win.

It might sort itself out...

 

[James_R]

Sorry I appreciate VAG tools are out there but software with the correct hacking tools can be changed. And no I am not thinking about Obd11/vcds tools.

I'm not disputing that, but the issues mentioned in this thread need to be addressed and correct by the manufacturer development engineers and not the aftermarket.

 

[tracktoy]

Fully agree and fingers crossed they do a retrospective fix as well as new cars

 

[Tell]

Sorry I appreciate VAG tools are out there but software with the correct hacking tools can be changed. And no I am not thinking about Obd11/vcds tools.

Youd probably need GCHQ since they better protect their software now. Why mib wiki et al have gone quite since they cant provide software tools on mib3. You pay your Vag license to get into their tools and the mothership regulates this. Hackers are probably back to popping the chips with the units on a work bench given the software in the control units are held together with sticky plaster and this update doesnt work with that etc.

 

[Tell]

I seem to recall @tracktoy that you have an issue on track days... I said put a piece of tin foil over the sensor

 

[James_R]

Fully agree and fingers crossed they do a retrospective fix as well as new cars

It has been in motion on VW for a couple of months and released for Seat/Cupra just this Friday gone.

 

[tracktoy]

I seem to recall @tracktoy that you have an issue on track days... I said put a piece of tin foil over the sensor

Yes but as I run a old car I can and do manually turn it off. On the road I do have very occasional warning but plenty of time to touch brakes to turn it off

 

[Tell]

Magic hands seemed to turn the sensitivity of mine down hence I suspect it might have been adjusted by a dealer or muck build up of the road does the trick. I know at new it was always screaming but I never said to the dealer it's a problem... it went away apart from foliage on damp days which it sees more clearly on bends. You get the tremor since you think, here we go.

 

[Evomoose]

Ours is getting worse - didn't have the problem initially but 6 months on and now its doing an emergency braking / stop nearly every day for a parked car or a lamp post. Between this system and the oversensitive brake pedal (see other thread I started) I'm pretty much done with this car. Going to the dealer tomorrow but not expecting much to be done.

 

[Tell]

Is that a Terramar ?.

 

[Evomoose]

Is that a Terramar ?.

If you was replying to me - then yes

 

[East Yorkshire Retrofits]

NCAP I'd say. They dont want people messing about with it unless within the bounds of the design parameters and they decided you are locked out of them. It would be another defeat tool to play an NCAP game.

Pulling dummies across roads to test how the car breaks then to have dealers and users fiddling with the controls to defeat NCAP safety features isnt one thay want. Why I reckon they have closed up adjustment via coding now to keep wandering hands out of the system and hackers that could turn the connected car network into a hackers Internet paradise.

It's the calibration equipment that James says is now readily available that they should be using and following those procedures. The tech master or whatever the guy the dealer calls him is critical. Duff practices in a dealership and they arent going to get down to the bottom of issues these days. Spirited tail gating and driving in an ACC convoy with one duff unit will lead to interesting results or impaired front assist due to rain..... There is ofcourse no accounting for wet foliage on the side of roads or banked roads. Then you just drive more slowly. Living in the land of 20mph if you keep to the limit all is good . The pesky we foliage doesnt trouble you on bends on roads.

SFD2 is a result of the UNECE R155 R156, not a decision from the manufacturers. But yes those documents are regarding cyber security

 

[Tell]

SFD2 is a result of the UNECE R155 R156, not a decision from the manufacturers. But yes those documents are regarding cyber security

Yes we have had this conversation before. Don't want a connected car bot net.