Bird cr*p damage

[iandjm]

Hi,

Here are two photos showing the perminent damage on the bonnet of my new Ibiza after some bird cr*p was left there for around 4 hours!!!

Anyone think the paint may be sub standard?







Ian

 

[nightflight]

i assume it's not polishing out?

it shouldn't damage the paint, the black magic is metallic so it should have a clear coat over the top to stop it affecting the paint? i'd be getting in touch with seat about it unless your local birds have a habit of shitting acid

i'll definitely be keeping a close eye on my paint when it gets here going by this.

 

[iandjm]

Hi,

Yes thats the best I can get it after polishing. Seems to me that the paint is not for purpose. I have had both Golfs and a Leon in Black Maginc, and have never seen damage like that

Ian

 

[mardon]

Thats really bad. Take it back. Imagine what it would be like after 2 years of bird sh!t!!

 

[iandjm]

Hey,

I just called my dealer and they said Seat do not pay out for 'bird' damage!!! I can feel this becoming a Watchdog/Auto Express campagn to get this sorted!!

Any thoughts from dealers??

Ian

 

[mardon]

Your not asking them to pay for bird damage you asking about defective paint!! Thats worrying. I'll be ordering my cupra in a month or two so wont want this happening!

Perhaps mention that you've put up a post on SeatCupra.net and see what they make of it.

This is the 2nd post i've seen about this now.

 

[iandjm]

Your not asking them to pay for bird damage you asking about defective paint!! Thats worrying. I'll be ordering my cupra in a month or two so wont want this happening!

Perhaps mention that you've put up a post on SeatCupra.net and see what they make of it.

This is the 2nd post i've seen about this now.

There was another post? Oh dear, this is not sounding good

 

[mardon]

There is but just noticed that its started by you. So its one issue over two posts

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=233088

 

[nightflight]

http://www.ukessays.com/essays/law/consumer-protection-act.php

http://whatconsumer.co.uk/satisfactory-quality/

Sale of Goods Act 1979 (amended), Part II, Section 14:

(2B)For the purposes of this Act, the quality of goods includes their state and condition and the following (among others) are in appropriate cases aspects of the quality of goods—
(a)fitness for all the purposes for which goods of the kind in question are commonly supplied,
(b)appearance and finish,
(c)freedom from minor defects,
(d)safety, and
(e)durability.

How long have you had the car? I would assume that I'm not alone in thinking that you would reasonably expect a car's paint to be resistant to bird damage for at least 5 years if not longer? thus you would have recourse under the consumer protection act 1979. Ask your dealer again nicely, quoting the act and if you still don't get anything then take it to Seat head office, (you want to be going as high as possible before sueing as the higher you go the more money there is to sue for)

 

[iandjm]

http://www.ukessays.com/essays/law/consumer-protection-act.php

http://whatconsumer.co.uk/satisfactory-quality/

Sale of Goods Act 1979 (amended), Part II, Section 14:

(2B)For the purposes of this Act, the quality of goods includes their state and condition and the following (among others) are in appropriate cases aspects of the quality of goods—
(a)fitness for all the purposes for which goods of the kind in question are commonly supplied,
(b)appearance and finish,
(c)freedom from minor defects,
(d)safety, and
(e)durability.

How long have you had the car? I would assume that I'm not alone in thinking that you would reasonably expect a car's paint to be resistant to bird damage for at least 5 years if not longer? thus you would have recourse under the consumer protection act 1979. Ask your dealer again nicely, quoting the act and if you still don't get anything then take it to Seat head office

Hi,

I have had the car for 5 weeks


Ian

 

[nightflight]

definitely start kicking up fuss over that: 5 weeks, one ****, ruined paint.

no one would reasonably accept that new, highly advanced, specially developed car paint would be trashed by one quickly removed bird crap. My gf's car is ten years old, has had god knows how many bird turds on it and after a few hours spent washing and polishing it's new and shiney and not a blemish on it (ok, there's some nasty cat sratches and a few stone chips but apart from that)

 

[DPJ]

This is really a matter of how acidic the bird droppings are........

 

[iandjm]

Hi,

Well unless they have started eating car batteries I would say it was 'normal'.

I would class bird **** as an environmental hazard, the same as sunlight and heavy rain. These are all things that the car should be designed to be able to withstand. It seems that car designers do not take account of the fact that birds do crap on nice shiny cars.

I find it strange though that my 2003 golf and 2006 Leon, both in the same paint had no problems after birds had crapped on them. A Wash off and application of polish and they came up as good as new

Ian

 

[jake]

you cant take a car back because of bird poo-it can be very very acidic, it burns add in a warm paint and sun and it can etch has it has done,

i take it your hand polishing this? have you tried or had a mechanical buffer on it?? btw the paint isnt sub standard, paints paint wether its on a golf, audi, skoda, lada. its all regulated

 

[iandjm]

I understand what you are saying, but I still have very good reason to believe that this current paint quality is suspect. Six years of ownership of cars with the same paint and colour, numerous bird splats, and zero damage of this nature points to something being 'different'. How and why is it ok for something to be manufactured to a standard that is not able to withstand exposure to an everyday hazard?

Ian

 

[Paint.sprayer]

Unfortunately bird **** is acidic and will burn paint including the top coat but if seen early enough will always polish out if left longer you might need to nib it and then polish using a mop..!!!

 

[iandjm]

Thanks for all your help, It looks like it needs professionally treating eh. I am still shocked that 3 hours exposure can do that damage. I wish the old solvent based paints were used.

Can anyone advise a wax/treatment that will offer some form of protection?

Ian

 

[Paint.sprayer]

Yeah bird stuff and especially if it's hot and in direct sulight it burns it in unfortunately..!!! And the paint is still solvent..!! It's only the base coat that is water based at the mo..!!! We should be more like merc and who use ceramic clear coats..!!

 

[iandjm]

Took to dealer today and they 'cut' the mark back. its invisible now. Now to find a good wax

Ian

 

[jake]

just so you know, manufactures still use solvent based paints its only aftermarket that have had to move to water bourne procucts, and clear coats now are actually stronger than they have ever been, duw to the new breed of ceramic clears being developed, and anti scratch.

the bird may of had a vindaloo