cr 170 and cr 140

[lukeeddy]

whats the difference between the 2.0 td cr 170 and the 2.0 td cr 140 engines apart from the power?

 

[tony323ci]

nothing they are exactly the same

It's just the ECU map

 

[betty_swollox]

nothing they are exactly the same

It's just the ECU map

Does the CR140 have a DPF?

I'm sure I asked this question a while ago...please remind me lol

 

[lukeeddy]

nothing they are exactly the same

It's just the ECU map

ok thanks for the quick reponse

 

[lukeeddy]

whats the DPF

 

[betty_swollox]

whats the DPF

diesel particle filter. Supposedly clogs up if you only do short journies, but I believe that these problems aren't as common on the newer CR engine

Someone with some more knowledge will explain this better than me though

 

[lukeeddy]

thanks again for the helpful and speedy response

 

[betty_swollox]

thanks again for the helpful and speedy response

Gives me something to do at work

 

[NinjaPirateUK]

I thought that the turbo and injectors were different between the 140 and 170? Or was that with the older PD units?

 

[tony323ci]

do a search on wikepedia for diesel particulate filter that will give you all the info you need

early PD engines suffered with the DPF as basically it was retrofitted to an engine that wasn't designed for it

The newer CR common rail engines are designed for a DPF and I have not heard of anyone on here having an issue

I have the CR170 FR 16000 miles any only see the DPF light when I first switch the ignition on

Pretty sure I can safely say CR with DPF don't give it another thought unless someone else knows otherwise

 

[tony323ci]

I thought that the turbo and injectors were different between the 140 and 170? Or was that with the older PD units?

possible but unlikely with mass produced cars it would be easier just having two different maps

 

[tony323ci]

hmmm may have jumped the gun here got this from Audi forum

There is not much difference in hardware between the 140 and 170.
According to ETKA, the CR-170 has different part numbers for the following.

Turbo
2 different intercooler boost pipes
Flywheel
DPF
EGR cooler gasket

Not sure if the same applies to the older PD unit.

Can't remember if the 170 has larger front brakes, will check later this evening.

 

[WeeG]

Turbo, injectors, 312mm brakes opposed to 288mm. Different gear ratios.

 

[micky 32]

I know it's an old thread but the info could be handy. The Euro CR 140 and CR 170 are one of the same engine. Same block, pistons, conrods etc. The injectors are also the same (Compared my part numbers on my CR140 against my mates CR170 and the numbers match and ETKA). Of course part numbers will vary from year to year..

There is one definate difference between the 2 variants as i have proved for myself. The turbo. I recently put on a CR 170 turbo to my Passat CR 140. Side by side at first glance look similiar in size but the compressor housing is thicker for more airflow for a start and i'm guessing larger compressor too.. Also the plastic outlet pipe even though looks identical, inside on the CR 170 has a larger diameter airflow. There are rumours that some CR 140's use the CR 170 turbo but can't say for sure..

I can't say 100% this is the case for other common rail engines in the VAG range like the Octavia and FR my comparisons are against the CR in the new Passat CFFB (140) CFGB(170) CFGC(177). Also note the 170 turbo bolts straight up to the 140 engine (as long as you have the 170 turbo oil lines)and runs as normal on the standard map.