Hybrid Turbo?

[AvRS]

Hi,

I was just wondering if anyone has used a company called Turbocharger-Solutions before as they have quoted me £500 + £10 carriage for a hybrid on exchange basis. The turbo is a VNT17 with VNT20 compressor wheel, uprated thrust bearing and they put a total seal piston ring in. None of that makes sense to me but it sounds good for the money. I found there website doing a search on google: www.turbocharger-solutions.co.uk so sent them an email and that's the quote they gave. I also spoke to Owen Developments and they said nobody is authorised to carry out hybrid work or repair on any Garrett VNT turbo as the Garrett performance Centre's hands are tied with Garrett apparently and then they recommended trying Jabba Sport as they've tried and tested an upgrade which works very well. How then are Turbo Dynamics selling hybrids if this is the case or do they use a different turbo?

Thanks

 

[devonutopia]

I've never heard of them before, which would put me off. I like to go with companies I've heard good things about through word of mouth, which is how I found Allards.

 

[Ibiza Evo 2]

I have a vnt17/20 assembled by a turbo company in Belgium (where I live btw ) and they said nothing about the Garrett policy.
It is a Garrett btw.

 

[AvRS]

I just can't believe how cheap it is which was the one thing that rang alarm bells for me. I've currently priced up what I believe is the Stage 2 Turbo Dynamics hybrid through APS in Brackley and that's still what I'm probably going to go with, I just thought it's worth a try checking out about this company.

Cheers

 

[devonmikeyboy]

Never heard of them myself. Since it sounds like you don`t know anything about turbos,plus you don`t know the company, plus you don`t say who is meant to be fitting and mapping this turbo i would seriously think about paying a bit more and going to a proper diesel tuning company and getting a quote for a package job of turbo and map done. If you get that turbo mapped by a company and it goes bang the mapper will blame the turbo and the turbo supplier will blame the mapper and you will be left in the middle. The best companies in England for tuning diesels are ;
Allard's http://www.allardmotorcompany.com/pages/products/products-cat6.asp?cat=6

Jabba http://www.jabbasport.com/links.asp

Allards use Garrett turbos and Jabba use Turbo Dynamics range of turbos which are there own branded make of turbo.

 

[AvRS]

Thanks for your advice, I'll stay away from them as I don't want to be caught up in that scenario.

I've already emailed Jabba about there turbo and will look into Allard. I'll be getting Automotive Performance Services (www.autops.co.uk) in Brackley to do fitting and mapping as they will also be fitting my Sachs Clutch so I prefer to have everything done at the same time. Also my car isn't exactly driveable at the mo due to blowing the turbo so I'm only really able to get it to APS and I've used them for everything else so I'm quite confident in the work they do.

Cheers for your help

 

[AvRS]

Ok I have another question which I've also posted elsewhere, I'm just looking for a good balanced view.

I was wondering if anyone has had the chance to compare cars which have had a Turbo Dynamics or Allard hybrid fitted? I'm torn as they both get good recommendations on this and other forums and need to make a balanced decision not based on price pretty soon. All the threads I've read have always said to use one or the other but have not found anyone that's compared them both yet. If no one has, could you share your reasons for choosing one or the other?

Thanks

 

[devonutopia]

I think it depends how far up the power stakes you want to go. To push beyond 250/260 I would recommend Allards, but for remaining around the 220 mark there's probably note much difference between Allards and T.D turbos. I do get the impression that the engineering that goes into Allard's turbos is quite decent - especially the case with their more powerful ones.

 

[AvRS]

Thanks again Jason, I'll be just looking for around the 200 mark and I'll be happy anything more is a bonus. I'm not looking to go as crazy as you so will be going for the VT2. Quite looking forward to having the car transformed, come to think of it just getting it back on the road will make me happy.

 

[WW_VRS]

The Turbodynamics Stage 2 Hybrid is good for 240-260 bhp as well when tuned right - that said it will need more fuelling before you can hit those kinda numbers. Mine is still at about 200ish bhp on the superchips map I have on it now, bigger injectors are to be fitted in about a month or so (still some warranty left on the exchange engine). I use APS as well, they've been excellent so far

 

[FabiaTDi]

Thanks again Jason, I'll be just looking for around the 200 mark and I'll be happy anything more is a bonus. I'm not looking to go as crazy as you so will be going for the VT2. Quite looking forward to having the car transformed, come to think of it just getting it back on the road will make me happy.

If you are going to the trouble of getting a VT2 fitted then I would say spend a bit more and go for the VT5 (around £500 extra)

More potential with the VT5.

 

[AvRS]

Unfortunately this is already costing me nearly £1500 more than I was hoping to spend before my current turbo blew, I haven't got the extra £500 to spend on the VT5 as its not something I've saved up for, more pushed towards. I'd be more than happy with 200-220bhp though and won't be going down the nos or propane route anytime soon so there's not much more gains to be had without the sufficient fuelling and so on. The VT2 I think will be plenty, thanks for your advice.

 

[WW_VRS]

Also a VT5 would need higher revs to start 'working' properly, a stage 1 hybrid from TurboDynamics will get you 200bhp as well on std injectors and without additional fuelling systems.

When you add NOS/propane etc though, it's probably worth the extra cash. Without it, I reckon 200bhp is a very nice place to be

 

[FabiaTDi]

Also a VT5 would need higher revs to start 'working' properly, a stage 1 hybrid from TurboDynamics will get you 200bhp as well on std injectors and without additional fuelling systems.

When you add NOS/propane etc though, it's probably worth the extra cash. Without it, I reckon 200bhp is a very nice place to be

VT5 isnt too bad low down and mine pulls strongly from 2K rpm although needs mapping!!

Hoping for around 230bhp plus when mine is mapped, although i'm now tempted by one of those cams.

 

[micky 32]

I had an allard hybrid turbo, it probably was a VT2 and it was awful as it had bad spool up from down low with loads of smoke etc. I now have a Turbodynamics stage 2 turbo and it is way better IMO. It spools up better, smoother, quietier and can run 2bar without probs.

 

[Mikey_H]

Thanks for your advice, I'll stay away from them as I don't want to be caught up in that scenario.

I've already emailed Jabba about there turbo and will look into Allard. I'll be getting Automotive Performance Services (www.autops.co.uk) in Brackley to do fitting and mapping as they will also be fitting my Sachs Clutch so I prefer to have everything done at the same time. Also my car isn't exactly driveable at the mo due to blowing the turbo so I'm only really able to get it to APS and I've used them for everything else so I'm quite confident in the work they do.

Cheers for your help

Hi mate just out of intrest how much are you paying for your clutch?? i live in buckingham so only down the road from them lol, i am going to jabba for my big turbo upgrade as i have said on many posts i belive them to be an honest company that looks after its customers, with a proven track record i really want to be running between 240-250bhp within the next 3 or 4 months

 

[WW_VRS]

From personal experience I can highly recommend APS for their 'looking after their customers'. I had a bad luck situation that was resolved in a way that I can only describe as fantastic, and the guys are a very friendly bunch too!

I've had no experience with their tuning as such, in that my car was tuned via APS at the Superchips HQ, dunno if they would now use their independant, but working from their premises, tuner or not.

 

[AvRS]

I believe they charge £550+VAT for supply and fitting but they use the standard clutch cover with the organic friction disc. They told me this is the setup they've always used as it gives a more natural pedal feel and can still take plenty of abuse. I however bought my clutch from JBS during their GB due to the great prices and am only getting fitted at APS. I'm not sure how much the clutch alone costs for fitting as I'm getting the clutch, turbo and then 40k service done so they gave me an all in figure. They've always been really competitive pricing wise and quality of service is fantastic as has been said so I wouldn't use anyone else. They are also a very friendly bunch of guys and even know me by first name on the phone as I've been there a fair bit and always use their knowledge when I have a query. I'm actually suprised they haven't told me where to go, from the amount I bother them lol!

The mapping they do now I believe is written by another ex AMD employee who does it at their workshop and on the nice "private" road they have not far away. That's what I believe anyway haven't actually asked as I was there when they were working on a TT once and that's what they were doing. They also have use of a nearby rolling road so may use that but when I speak to them I'll find out for sure. I'll be hopefully fitted in sometime next week or the week after depending on how long the turbo takes to be manufactured by Allard. Will let you all know my thoughts on their map and the work carried out.

Cheers

 

[AvRS]

Hi again, I've just had a phone call from Allard saying they hope to get the turbo out tomorrow to APS who are fitting it but needed to clarify the intercooler pipe connection so they phoned me and then I had them phone APS as I wasn't sure. Thing is APS gave them the model number of my standard turbo and it was a KKK and now they don't whether it's going to even fit my car. I would've thought that Allard would know the different turbo's that the cars use. They are apparently going to look for a turbo that matches mine the closest and we'll have to see if it fits. Has anyone had this trouble in the past having a KKK and trying to fit a VT2? Is there anyway to make this work without having to have any fabrication done as APS are not confident at all with what Allard have said to them and think it's going to need some work to get it fitted. If this is the case it's going straight back and I'll be getting a refund. Is there anyone else that will do a hybrid for mine if this doesn't work?

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks

 

[WW_VRS]

Well I got the TurboDynamics Stage 1 Hybrid, later on I got the Stage 2 Hybrid, and they are a straight fit, minus rotation of the housing to fit on my Fabia.

In my case it came with the manifold, pretty sure the Allard one does too?