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Here's a shot of the back of my old ibiza. You can just about see the plate next to where the front seatbelt used to be, and the one coming out from the suspension turret. Not perfect to see as they've been sprayed white, but it should give you an idea.
They are expensive new, and rarely come up second hand. I sold the one out of my old Ibiza to MartinM on the forum who'd been looking for one for ages. The Cordoba already had one fitted.
The only other thing to consider is the dash. The cage in the Ibiza was bent to fit around the dash; the cage in the Cordoba goes through the dash. Not a problem if you are just tracking the car.
Unfortunately I don't have any shots of the cage in the Cordoba as the car is still relatively new to me. However if you do a search on F2Stu & readers rides, I know there are some shots of cage in his.
They are expensive new, and rarely come up second hand. I sold the one out of my old Ibiza to MartinM on the forum who'd been looking for one for ages. The Cordoba already had one fitted.
The only other thing to consider is the dash. The cage in the Ibiza was bent to fit around the dash; the cage in the Cordoba goes through the dash. Not a problem if you are just tracking the car.
Unfortunately I don't have any shots of the cage in the Cordoba as the car is still relatively new to me. However if you do a search on F2Stu & readers rides, I know there are some shots of cage in his.
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Hmm, a very good question. I've had the Ibiza for nearly 14 years (scary) although it hasn't turned a wheel in anger for nearly a year now and is ready to be stripped for any remaining parts before scrapping.
My Ibiza was only an 8v, although it had been chipped so was running a healthy 136bhp / 154 lb/ft. The Cordy is a 16v and has had a lot more engine work done to it (cams, manifold etc) and it's running 182bhp / 158 lb/ft. The extra power is very noticeable - with greasy winter roads I can spin the wheels in 2nd and 3rd if I floor it
It's primary use is as a trackday car, and I've only been out in it the once as I've spent a lot of time trying to get it sorted out.
With the Ibiza all stripped out it did have a problem with lift off oversteer and having a very light back end under heavy breaking. Hoping that the bit of extra weight over the back courtesy of the boot will tone this down a bit. I know that the Jetta Mk2 was considered to be a better handling car than the Golf Mk2 courtesy of that bit of extra weight over the back.
Looking forward to getting out on track as much as possible in 2011.
chris96sx
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where abouts do you take your cars on the track i would love to c what mine is like on the track i do find that the cordoba suffers from alot of understeer but did not take long for me to get the nack to keep it down what does the car need to take to a track like ?
Unfortunately with FWD it does understeer. You can help things with an uprated front ARB, and if you feel confident controlling via lift off oversteer that can add some fun.
There are normally some forum trips to tracks - at least a couple a year. The next one planned is to the BHP show at Lydden Hill near Dover, which I appreciate isn't too handy for Shropshire. Details are normally posted in the 'Other Events' section. There is also a sticky in there with some beginners trackday advice which should help you out.
For an airfield day you will be paying around £100 or so; likewise for a track in the winter when demand is lower. Summer you can be paying £150 - £200 for a day, or even up to £400 for access to something like the full GP circuit at Silverstone or Brands Hatch. It's normally the case the earlier you book, the cheaper you get it. If you just fancy a taster, then some of the shows - such as BHP at Lydden Hill or Eurofest or the VW Audi Track day at Castle Combe allow you to buy single 15 minute slots for around £30 a pop. Just need to be a bit wary as some of these (esp. Eurofest at Combe) have a bit of a reputation for have a go heroes.
I've done at least 25 track days over the past 6 years or so, and I've been to:
Castle Combe (Wiltshire);
Goodwood (Sussex)
Lydden Hill (Kent)
Brands Hatch (Kent)
Bedford Autodrome (Bedfordshire)
Snetterton (Norfolk)
RAF Marham (Norfolk)
Donington Park (Derbyshire)
Cadwell Park (Lincolnshire)
They are a great way to really understand the handling and dynamics of your car. It's all well and good knowing the theory of oversteer, understeer, spins etc, but in my opinion you can only reprogramme your natural instincts on what to do in those situations through experience. And where better to get that on a track.
There are normally some forum trips to tracks - at least a couple a year. The next one planned is to the BHP show at Lydden Hill near Dover, which I appreciate isn't too handy for Shropshire. Details are normally posted in the 'Other Events' section. There is also a sticky in there with some beginners trackday advice which should help you out.
For an airfield day you will be paying around £100 or so; likewise for a track in the winter when demand is lower. Summer you can be paying £150 - £200 for a day, or even up to £400 for access to something like the full GP circuit at Silverstone or Brands Hatch. It's normally the case the earlier you book, the cheaper you get it. If you just fancy a taster, then some of the shows - such as BHP at Lydden Hill or Eurofest or the VW Audi Track day at Castle Combe allow you to buy single 15 minute slots for around £30 a pop. Just need to be a bit wary as some of these (esp. Eurofest at Combe) have a bit of a reputation for have a go heroes.
I've done at least 25 track days over the past 6 years or so, and I've been to:
Castle Combe (Wiltshire);
Goodwood (Sussex)
Lydden Hill (Kent)
Brands Hatch (Kent)
Bedford Autodrome (Bedfordshire)
Snetterton (Norfolk)
RAF Marham (Norfolk)
Donington Park (Derbyshire)
Cadwell Park (Lincolnshire)
They are a great way to really understand the handling and dynamics of your car. It's all well and good knowing the theory of oversteer, understeer, spins etc, but in my opinion you can only reprogramme your natural instincts on what to do in those situations through experience. And where better to get that on a track.
chris96sx
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what has my car got to have to get out on the track if i can get it all done in time then i am there dude
Technically all it needs is to pass a noise test - which it will do (you only tend to get problems with ridiculous exhausts or throttle bodies) It is also supposed to be in a condition in which it would pass an MOT - however people trailer cars to trackdays and I've never seen anyone take too much interest on whether it is of MOT standard.
Other things you might like to consider are in here:
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=203237
In the main, if it is in a reasonable condition then you're going to be ok.
Other things you might like to consider are in here:
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=203237
In the main, if it is in a reasonable condition then you're going to be ok.
chris96sx
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so no like roll cage needed it should have one by the ,bucket seats and all safty stuff helmet and all that like ??
Nope, track days are designed to arrive in your road legal car, put a helmet on (which you can hire at most tracks anyway) and off you go.
Obviously if you get more and more into it then some view fitting a rollcage is a worthwhile investment - me included. I guess it's for that 1 in a million chance that might happen. It also strengthens the car and makes it more rigid.
Obviously if you get more and more into it then some view fitting a rollcage is a worthwhile investment - me included. I guess it's for that 1 in a million chance that might happen. It also strengthens the car and makes it more rigid.
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