No keyless entry or push-button start?

[GreyKnight]

Hi guys

So, I’m researching the details of the new Leon Cupra 280. One thing that isn’t mentioned in the brochure and which I can’t see any evidence of in any photos is keyless entry and push-button start??? Do SEAT not offer these options? It seems quite an omission on a £30k top-of-the-range car that something so relatively common these days isn’t included. I’ve become used to having a starter button in my 6 year old Mondeo and not having to faff around with keys (they’re so last year darling).

Anybody know?

Graham

 

[jc_boc]

Not an option at all and as far as i know never has been.

 

[ZBOYD]

Meh! Exercises the thumb muscles. If it was there fine, but thats the smallest of considerations really. As long as I can start it, its what it does after that process that is of real importance.

 

[morini]

I like my technology as much as the next man, but a starter button and keyless entry would never be a showstopper for me (or even on my radar when considering what is important). Nice if standard, but no way would I tick it if it were an option. Far too tight for that! Would rather my money went into something which would improve the driving experience personally (e.g. LSD, adaptive dampers etc). We had a Mini cooper S a few years back which had a starter button and it took me a while to get used to it (IIRC needed foot on footbrake to start).

These Mk3 Leons are very well spec'd for the money and I guess something has to give.

 

[yellowcone87]

I know most new model cars nowadays are getting push button start, but I still don't see the advantage. I mean in most of them you still have to turn the key first anyway, so why add something else like a button? How is it easier than just turning the key a little bit further? I am actually glad the Leon doesn't have it. Its a silly gimmick. Cars had push button start for decades, then they got rid of it when we realised the key does the same job...

Not all technology is an advantage.... Take for instance the fact the VW golf has an electric handbrake. Its the reason I went for the Leon ST instead of the golf. When I park on a hill I want to know the handbrake is on as tight as it can be. Would I trust a computer to know its tight enough for where its parked? Nope. Not on your Nelly. I trusted my Range Rover to do just that and soon learnt why you shouldn't! Its just something else we don't really need that can go wrong. And not just that, but in a proper hot hatch like the cupra an electric handbrake can spoil all your fun on track days.

People see technology going into cars today and automatically see it as progress. I think in at least these two examples the benefit is minimal at best when given proper consideration. If you really feel you need it, buy the Golf. You'll probably be happy you did. But you have to ask is the Golf really worth the premium based on these things alone, which are the only real differences?

 

[keithjeb]

TBF proper keyless (i.e. key in the car, not in a slot on the dash) ignition is pretty good, again, I wouldn't buy a car for it, but I had a mondeo for 6 weeks whilst my leon was in the bodyshop and I did miss it when I got it back. I found it particularly useful, as my usual routine for starting the car is unlock> put key back in jacket pocket> hang jacket in back window> go to start car> dislocate shoulder to get key out of jacket pocket> actually start car.

 

[GreyKnight]

Yes I know it’s not essential, I just consider it to be part of the “finish” on a car these days. Ie, if a manufacturer wants to go that little tiny bit further to match the competition then this is one of the ways they could do it.

It really is nice to just walk up to a locked car, open it and start it without the key ever leaving your pocket. Agreed having to put the key in then press the button is pointless.

 

[morini]

TBF proper keyless (i.e. key in the car, not in a slot on the dash) ignition is pretty good, again, I wouldn't buy a car for it, but I had a mondeo for 6 weeks whilst my leon was in the bodyshop and I did miss it when I got it back. I found it particularly useful, as my usual routine for starting the car is unlock> put key back in jacket pocket> hang jacket in back window> go to start car> dislocate shoulder to get key out of jacket pocket> actually start car.

Yeah, I can certainly see the plus points of that. In the Mini the start button was just a gimicky feature as it required you to put the key (well, plastic disc) in a slot in dash before using the starter button. Might as well turn a key like normal. Being able to keep the key in your pocket is certainly a useful feature though.

But, seat don't have it so I'll have to live without it.

 

[keithjeb]

Yeah, I can certainly see the plus points of that. In the Mini the start button was just a gimicky feature as it required you to put the key (well, plastic disc) in a slot in dash before using the starter button. Might as well turn a key like normal. Being able to keep the key in your pocket is certainly a useful feature though.

But, seat don't have it so I'll have to live without it.

I suppose that its same kind of idea as not being able to spec 4wd etc. Partly it will be cost saving (no need to have the parts sat in spain as well as germany/poland/wheerever they're built) and they want to save some of the 'premium' features to distinguish the more expensive GTI/S3 etc.

 

[Bubbs]

Yeah, I can certainly see the plus points of that. In the Mini the start button was just a gimicky feature as it required you to put the key (well, plastic disc) in a slot in dash before using the starter button. Might as well turn a key like normal. Being able to keep the key in your pocket is certainly a useful feature though.

But, seat don't have it so I'll have to live without it.

My 2007 Civic had a button start. You had to put the key in the ignition (which was in the usual place), turn it forward two clicks and then push the button. The button was only an 'on' button though. To turn it off, you had to turn the key.

Despite it being utterly pointless, I did used to enjoy pushing that big red START button though. Might have been even better if it had had a flip-up plastic cover on it

 

[arreruk]

I know most new model cars nowadays are getting push button start, but I still don't see the advantage. I mean in most of them you still have to turn the key first anyway, so why add something else like a button? How is it easier than just turning the key a little bit further? I am actually glad the Leon doesn't have it. Its a silly gimmick. Cars had push button start for decades, then they got rid of it when we realised the key does the same job...

Not strictly true. Freelander 2 (my last car). Push button on remote to unlock car, get in (obvs lol), put key in dash. Foot on clutch, press button and away you go.

Focus ST3 (current car). Ensure you have key with you. Walk up to car, open door, get in, foot on clutch, push button and again... Away you go. No need to use key at all. Love the convenience but it wouldn't stop me buying a Cupra 280 DSG if it didn't have it.




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[Dudders07]

Personally I'm glad there is no start button, Seat have enough probs with the electronics they do have!

 

[smurf123]

what oh what is the difference in turning a key than pushing a button just got rid of nissan qashqai tekna which had keyless ignition and entry, did not like it at all still had to have the handset on you so whats the point

 

[yellowcone87]

Not strictly true. Freelander 2 (my last car). Push button on remote to unlock car, get in (obvs lol), put key in dash. Foot on clutch, press button and away you go.

Focus ST3 (current car). Ensure you have key with you. Walk up to car, open door, get in, foot on clutch, push button and again... Away you go. No need to use key at all. Love the convenience but it wouldn't stop me buying a Cupra 280 DSG if it didn't have it.

Yes, but you are referring to keyless start, which is to be fair a separate system altogether to the standard push button starts as fitted to Standard (basic) Focus/mini and others. Keyless start has obvious advantages in ease of use. My point reffered to keyed versions with a button setup...

 

[arreruk]

Yes, but you are referring to keyless start, which is to be fair a separate system altogether to the standard push button starts as fitted to Standard (basic) Focus/mini and others. Keyless start has obvious advantages in ease of use. My point reffered to keyed versions with a button setup...

Which is why I said it wasn't strictly true. Last car I saw with a turn key push button start was my brother's Audi some time in the early 80s. Granted that was a gimmick.

Still, I'll happily sacrifice any form of push button start for an LSD, 280ps and a DSG 'box. After 27 years of driving, turning a key is still familiar operation.


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[yellowcone87]

Which is why I said it wasn't strictly true. Last car I saw with a turn key push button start was my brother's Audi some time in the early 80s. Granted that was a gimmick.

Still, I'll happily sacrifice any form of push button start for an LSD, 280ps and a DSG 'box. After 27 years of driving, turning a key is still familiar operation.


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Couldn't agree more on that one! Who cares how you start it when there's 280 horses under the bonnet!

 

[arreruk]

Couldn't agree more on that one! Who cares how you start it when there's 280 horses under the bonnet!

Too right. I'll be keeping an eye on the forum to see how people get on with the Cupra (though my Ibiza Cupra never missed a beat). Promised the wife I'd keep the ST for at least a year.... Picked it up last April so I reckon a test drive will be required soon


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[Fred99]

. Last car I saw with a turn key push button start was my brother's Audi some time in the early 80s. Granted that was a gimmick.

My first car was a Mini in 1962. That had press button start.

Isn't progress wonderful?

 

[arreruk]

My first car was a Mini in 1962. That had press button start.

Isn't progress wonderful?

+1


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[G.P]

Mini in 1962. That had press button start.

Located on the floor if I remember correctly..