Possible buy Ibiza Cupra 1.4 TSI 180 or 1.6 TDI 105

[a22tenc]

Hi, I'm torn between this 2 cars, I know one is diesel and the other one is petrol but let's just forget about that detail and tell your opinion, they are both at the same price.

The Cupra Bocanegra, I've read so many bad things about the engine and the dsg gearbox that I'm not sure if it's worth the risk, we all know that buying used car is like playing on the lottery but even with so many problems this one could be problem free, who knows.

It's a 2010 model and has about 16100 miles.

About the car, when I checked the oil level, the dipstick looked burned, a brownish yellow and the oil was on that colour that you can see in the picture below, as I've read reports from people who said that they found out their engines were running dry could have this happen to this car too? My mother has a megane 1.5 dci and the dipstick looks the same but it never runned out of oil, just as a example.

About the gearbox, the owner said that Seat did a recall to change the oil and connect the gearbox to the computer to update the software. As we were on the test drive I didnt hear the ratling noises that people complain about when running in lower gears and didn't felt any bumps when changing gears, it was all smooth. Or maybe the owner tried to hide this problems as he was driving himself, I never driven an automatic car before and didnt felt comfortable to do it so the owner did it.

The 1.6 TDI FR 105hp its a 2013 model, it has 14900 miles. It's being sold by a Seat dealer (plus), the car looks new the only thing that is bugging me is when I was changing gears with the engine off it was making loud noises the seller said it's normal because of the fact tha the engine was not working so the oil doesnt lubricate the gears (thruth is when we were driving, it didnt make any noise), oh and the front left tire had a bubble.

 

[stu_m]

personally I would opt for the diesel

its a newer car and I prefer a diesel to a petrol

yes its true that gearboxes make noises when not running nothing to worry about there

plus its from a dealer so you will get a warranty even though you should get the remainder of the seat warranty

 

[troupy]

jesus what a stupid choice EASY the boc!

had mine 1 n half and its amazing spot on zero drinking oil and dsg master peace...

theres the odd story like all cars always a story.. treat it good and should treat you good...

180bhp/dsg/super charged and turbo/lovley looking/fast/great on fuel/great drivers..

not hard to choose imo.....

 

[IbizaMK5CupraDB]

Hi, firstly apologies for in depth reply but please bear with me.
I've got a 10 plate Cupra bought from Seat which now has 31,000 miles and I've had it for a year now and I travel 10k a year to and from work with no problems whatsoever. I had the recall on the DSG and it's been faultless, the only thing I'd mention is that the Cupra will use a little oil so you'll need to check it regularly (every 2 weeks or so just to keep an eye on it). I have also extended the warranty just for peace of mind silver cover from Seat at £179 with £250 excess.
As for clunking gears I tend to drive in full auto most of the time and often open it up in S or use paddles which is great, Mine hardly ever makes any noise and I'm told by Seat it's totally normal.
If you want a quick car that delivers fun with reasonable MPG then a Cupra is great and you'll be grinning when you fly off and leave bigger engine cars behind. I have had a Ibiza diesel and was happy with the power and economy so it's down to the preference of speed vs economy.
If you buy private I'd have it checked thoroughly, if from a dealer with a warranty you're pretty safe but don't be put off by what you read or hear. Good luck

 

[a22tenc]

personally I would opt for the diesel

its a newer car and I prefer a diesel to a petrol

yes its true that gearboxes make noises when not running nothing to worry about there

plus its from a dealer so you will get a warranty even though you should get the remainder of the seat warranty

Thing is, it has a bubble on the front tyre probably caused by a big impact that I dont know how big it was or even if it was caused by a impact and if it damaged the dampers or anything related. The tyres look new. The seller didn't seem to care much about it, he said "it's just a bubble the tyres will last many thousand miles still they are almost new".

jesus what a stupid choice EASY the boc!

had mine 1 n half and its amazing spot on zero drinking oil and dsg master peace...

theres the odd story like all cars always a story.. treat it good and should treat you good...

180bhp/dsg/super charged and turbo/lovley looking/fast/great on fuel/great drivers..

not hard to choose imo.....

If it was easy I wouldn't ask.
Tell me, what year is your car? Did Seat recall you? Does the dipstick of your engine look like what I described above ?

 

[stu_m]

Thing is, it has a bubble on the front tyre probably caused by a big impact that I dont know how big it was or even if it was caused by a impact and if it damaged the dampers or anything related. The tyres look new. The seller didn't seem to care much about it, he said "it's just a bubble the tyres will last many thousand miles still they are almost new".

the bubble could be from anything

it could be a manufacturer defect

if it was a big enough hit to damage the suspension I would expect damage to the alloy and possibly a rip in the rubber or at least a scuff if neither is that it will just be a defect in the tyre

at worse it will be wheel alignment and a new tyre

 

[a22tenc]

Hi, firstly apologies for in depth reply but please bear with me.
I've got a 10 plate Cupra bought from Seat which now has 31,000 miles and I've had it for a year now and I travel 10k a year to and from work with no problems whatsoever. I had the recall on the DSG and it's been faultless, the only thing I'd mention is that the Cupra will use a little oil so you'll need to check it regularly (every 2 weeks or so just to keep an eye on it). I have also extended the warranty just for peace of mind silver cover from Seat at £179 with £250 excess.
As for clunking gears I tend to drive in full auto most of the time and often open it up in S or use paddles which is great, Mine hardly ever makes any noise and I'm told by Seat it's totally normal.
If you want a quick car that delivers fun with reasonable MPG then a Cupra is great and you'll be grinning when you fly off and leave bigger engine cars behind. I have had a Ibiza diesel and was happy with the power and economy so it's down to the preference of speed vs economy.
If you buy private I'd have it checked thoroughly, if from a dealer with a warranty you're pretty safe but don't be put off by what you read or hear. Good luck

While the diesel one is being sold by a seat dealer the other one is private.

 

[RDD]

Unless you're doing over 15k miles per year I'd always go petrol due to the higher running costs (fuel, servicing, lots more to go wrong engine wise according to pretty much every mechanic I've ever spoken to) of diesel, it's also quite likely the government will be launching a war on diesel engines any time soon due to the emissions they claimed were better than petrol a few years ago

 

[davidhf]

I have owned performance diesel and petrol cars for the past twenty years and the driving dynamics are completely different. Better handling is usually with the petrol models, due to less weight being chucked about, sweeter acceleration and greater top speed are also petrol virtues, as is engine sound. Diesel, however, normally gives tremendous low-down torque which means great grunt when you need it for most overtaking maneouvres within the legal speed limits. MPG is usually always better with the diesel, although more frequent service schedules are more expensive overall.
All depends on what you want.
Go for petrol if you really value your driving experience.
Go for the diesel if you can compromise on that and want better economy.
The three year difference in the age of the vehicle should also not be ignored.

Good luck either way.

 

[a22tenc]

Well I will not be doing 15k miles per year that's for sure so petrol is better I already know that but thing is both cars are at the same price and the only problems the diesel seem to give is the DPF, apart from that it seems reliable while the 1.4 tsi there are lots of reports of high oil consuming, misfire, dsg7 problems all of them very expensive so basically what I can save in running costs by buying the petrol if someday be it the engine or the dsg gearbox I will go bankrupt.
On the other side, even if the diesel fails in something it's still covered by manufacturer warranty for 2 and half years.
Even if I like the Cupra much more I can't be blind to those problems, the guy above said "jesus what a stupid choice", well if you're rich you dont have to care about that I guess, that's not my case.

 

[davidhf]

Seems like you have already made your mind up.

Given what you have said, I completely agree with your choice of the newer diesel.

Bottom line is.......never buy any car which is going to cause you to worry right from the start.

Life is too bleeding short.

Get the one that is going to give you most piece of mind.

 

[RDD]

the only problems the diesel seem to give is the DPF, apart from that it seems reliable while the 1.4 tsi there are lots of reports of high oil consuming, misfire, dsg7 problems all of them very expensive so basically what I can save in running costs by buying the petrol if someday be it the engine or the dsg gearbox I will go bankrup

I think the thing here is that you've landed on an engine that's the exception to the rule! I was meaning generally you can get all those problems and more (mainly due to how highly strung diesels are now with 1 million sensors and them running 2 million PSI etc etc) on a diesel, but as you've said the VAG petrol TSi engines have their fair share of similar problems too - in this case it's a tricky one