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Old 08-05-2010, 19:53   #1
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RR today graph inside help required please

Operator said it is making the boost just not holding it, Could it be the N75?
Kineticz changed his to a N75J and said the difference was really good.
I don't want to keep buying this as a trial and error though.
And it is mapped (which i felt the difference when it was done) by the same company jabba use for there genric map.

This is what my Liquid Gauge said i had and even did on the way home too.

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Here we go, car is such a hoot to drive, i really should have done it 2 years ago
I am SO happy with the way it goes now, lost traction on acceleration, in the dry!
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Here are the findings from tonight, will get a proper graph on the 8th May



I can get vag com logs, but what blocks do you want to see?
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Blocks:

003 and 020
115 and 032
118 and 031
002 and 114
030

What map is it, Lee?
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Dimsport? I think the base map Jabba put on mine was.
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Dimsport?? Stage 1 or 2?

Did they take a boost reading while it was on the rollers?

What sort of timing is it running?
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Dimsport generic, no rollers at the install of the map, this was at a rolling road day today.
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Did they measure boost on the rollers today?

Do you have a boost gauge?

vag-com logs would be good..
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Boost is 11 psi on my gauge but higher on my liquid gauge.

Will get the logs sorted
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10/11psi is standard boost....

I'd expect circa 17psi (1.2 bar) of boost on a stage 1 map....
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Yeah was making 10 psi before the map, so imho the car is ok, ill get the logs sorted.
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It doesn't seem to be making boost (boost = torque).......... I'd be interested to see the logs.
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Did they not do a diagnostic check or was it purely just a RR, Could be a faulty MAF?? OR A boost leak, Do you have any hissing noises????
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Where does the liquid gauge take its readings from to work out bhp?
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Where does the liquid gauge take its readings from to work out bhp?
Prob a calc from MAF reading..
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More likely from block 120 Load - giving torque - then calculated with rpm to give bhp. But block 120 readings aren't usually accurate for remapped cars due to scaling......
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Code:
Saturday	8	May	2010	22:20:51										
06A 906 032 DE 		1.8L R4/5VT         0001												
														
	Group A:	002				Group B:	114				Group C:	030		
		Idle speed	Engine load	Inj. period	Air mass in		Eng Load Call	Corr. Load	Engine Load	Bypas Dut Cyc/0-100%		Pre-Cat O2	Post-Cat O2	 
	TIME	700-820 rpm	15-25%	2.0 - 4.0 ms	2.0-4.5 g/s	TIME	<=150%	<=150%	15-150%		TIME	111	110	 
MARKER	STAMP	 /min	%	 ms	 g/s	STAMP	%	%	%	%	STAMP			
	1.39	2000	85	10.2	36.03	0.48	132.3	129.9	15.8	0	0.97	10	110	        
	2.59	2280	120.3	13.94	55.67	1.79	136.1	134.3	100	98	2.19	11	110	        
	3.79	2560	139.1	15.64	68.44	2.99	133.8	132.8	129.3	100	3.39	111	110	        
	5.1	2840	139.1	15.64	75.42	4.2	131.6	129.9	140.6	74.5	4.7	11	110	        
	6.31	3120	138.3	16.32	81.14	5.5	130.1	128.4	137.6	70.6	5.9	111	110	        
	7.61	3440	138.3	17.68	90.08	6.71	130.8	129.9	139.8	68.2	7.11	111	110	        
	8.83	3720	136.1	16.66	98.17	8.01	131.6	129.9	136.8	65.9	8.43	111	110	        
	10.14	4040	136.1	16.66	104.19	9.23	132.3	131.3	133.8	67.5	9.72	11	10	        
	11.43	4400	137.6	17	115.72	10.63	133.8	132.8	136.8	70.2	11.03	111	110	        
	12.75	4720	139.1	17.34	124.31	11.85	136.1	134.3	137.6	71.8	12.25	111	110	        
	14.17	5040	139.1	18.7	133.08	13.16	138.3	137.3	139.1	72.2	13.66	111	110	        
	15.46	5320	141.4	19.38	144.69	14.66	139.8	138.8	140.6	73.7	15.06	10	110	        
	16.76	5600	140.6	19.72	151.25	15.86	140.6	140.3	140.6	74.9	16.28	110	110	        
	17.99	5840	137.6	20.06	152.22	17.18	138.3	138.8	140.6	76.9	17.58	10	10	        
	19.38	6080	134.6	19.72	155.03	18.49	134.6	132.8	137.6	75.3	18.89	110	110	        
	20.6	6280	131.6	19.38	157.97	19.8	131.6	129.9	133.1	74.9	20.2	10	110
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Saturday	8	May	2010	22:12:54										
06A 906 032 DE 		1.8L R4/5VT         0001												
														
	Group A:	003				Group B:	020				Group C:	115		
		Idle speed	Air mass in	Throt Angle	Ignit Angle		Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization		Engine Speed	Engine Load	Spec. Boost
	TIME	700-820 rpm	2.0-4.5 g/s	0.2-4.0%	0-12 BTDC	TIME					TIME	700-6800 RPM	15-150%	990-1800 mbar
MARKER	STAMP	 /min	 g/s	%	 °BTDC	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF	STAMP	 /min	%	 mbar
	1.05	1960	29.69	18.4	7.5	1.45	0	3	5.3	8.3	0.54	1920	81.2	1050
	2.25	2120	44.03	61.6	2.3	2.65	0	3	5.3	8.3	1.85	2080	105.3	1370
	3.66	2280	53.56	99.2	2.3	4.06	0	3	5.3	8.3	3.17	2240	96.2	1410
	4.88	2400	54.92	100	1.5	5.37	0	3	5.3	8.3	4.46	2360	113.5	1470
	6.17	2600	62.89	100	0.8	6.57	0	3	5.3	8.3	5.77	2560	125.6	1670
	7.39	2840	74.44	100	10.5	7.89	0	2.3	5.3	6.8	6.97	2760	135.3	1750
	8.69	3120	82.86	100	9	9.1	0	2.3	5.3	6	8.29	3000	137.6	1750
	10	3400	91.78	100	11.3	10.4	0	2.3	4.5	6	9.5	3280	137.6	1710
	11.21	3680	94.61	100	15	11.61	0	2.3	3.8	4.5	10.8	3560	134.6	1680
	12.51	4040	105.47	100	15	12.91	0	2.3	3	3	12.01	3920	134.6	1720
	13.82	4360	115	100	18	14.22	0	1.5	2.3	2.3	13.32	4240	136.8	1720
	15.02	4680	122.69	100	19.5	15.44	0	0.8	0.8	0.8	14.62	4560	137.6	1720
	16.33	5000	131.19	100	18.8	16.84	6	3.8	0	3.8	15.93	4880	138.3	1720
	17.66	5280	140.94	100	17.3	18.15	6	3	0	3.8	17.24	5200	139.8	1740
	18.96	5560	149.75	100	16.5	19.35	5.3	3	0	3	18.55	5480	141.4	1760
	20.17	5800	149.33	100	20.3	20.57	5.3	2.3	0	2.3	19.77	5720	139.8	1720
	21.37	6000	153.19	100	24	21.88	4.5	2.3	0	2.3	20.97	5920	133.8	1690
	22.68	6160	157.72	99.6	6.8	23.18	0	0	0	0	22.28	6160	134.6	1680
	23.98	4280	8.06	6.7	3	24.38	0	0	0	0	23.58	4840	12	1000
	25.18	2760	6.25	5.1	0.8	25.59	0	0	0	0	24.78	3240	12.8	1000
	26.49	1480	3.17	2.4	4.5	27	0	0	0	0	26.09	1840	13.5	1000
	27.9	840	2.5	2	2.3	28.39	0	0	0	0	27.48	960	14.3	1000
	29.19	800	2.53	2	2.3	29.59	0	0	0	0	28.79	720	21.8	1000
	30.41	760	2.36	2	9	30.81	0	0	0	0	30.01	760	17.3	1000
	31.62	720	2.5	2	9	32.02	0	0	0	0	31.22	720	18.8	1000
	32.82	760	2.61	2	11.3	33.34	0	0	0	0	32.42	720	18.8	1000
	34.12	760	2.53	2	12	34.54	0	0	0	0	33.72	760	17.3	1000
	35.53	760	2.42	2	9.8	35.94	0	0	0	0	35.05	760	16.5	1000
	36.74	720	2.36	2	13.5	37.14	0	0	0	0	36.34	720	15.8	1000
	37.94	720	2.36	2	11.3	38.36	0	0	0	0	37.54	720	16.5	1000


Code:
Saturday	8	May	2010	22:17:25											
06A 906 032 DE 		1.8L R4/5VT         0001													
															
	Group A:	032				Group B:	118				Group C:	031			
		Idle O2 Adapt	Run O2 Adapt	 	 		Engine Speed	Air Temp In	Boost Dut Cyc	Actual Boost		Lambda Factor	Lambda Factor	Bin. Bits	Bin. Bits
	TIME	-10-10%	-10-10%	 	 	TIME	700-6800 RPM	<=110 C	0-100% 	<=1800 mbar	TIME				
MARKER	STAMP	%	%			STAMP	 /min	°C	%	 mbar	STAMP				
	0.4	0.9	-6.3	        	        	0.91	1960	33	95.3	1330	0	0.99	1	        	        
	1.81	0.9	-6.3	        	        	2.21	2240	33	100	1540	1.41	0.99	1	        	        
	3.02	0.9	-6.3	        	        	3.42	2520	33	65.1	1700	2.61	0.99	1	        	        
	4.32	0.9	-6.3	        	        	4.72	2800	33	66.7	1670	3.92	0.95	0.95	        	        
	5.53	0.9	-6.3	        	        	5.93	3080	34	66.7	1710	5.13	0.92	0.91	        	        
	6.85	0.9	-6.3	        	        	7.34	3440	35	65.5	1680	6.43	0.86	0.86	        	        
	8.14	0.9	-6.3	        	        	8.54	3720	36	67.8	1680	7.74	0.83	0.84	        	        
	9.45	0.9	-6.3	        	        	9.85	4000	36	69.4	1720	8.96	0.84	0.83	        	        
	10.65	0.9	-6.3	        	        	11.07	4240	37	70.2	1730	10.25	0.82	0.82	        	        
	11.87	0.9	-6.3	        	        	12.27	4520	38	71.8	1720	11.47	0.83	0.83	        	        
	13.18	0.9	-6.3	        	        	13.58	4800	39	72.9	1720	12.67	0.8	0.81	        	        
	14.49	0.9	-6.3	        	        	14.88	5040	40	73.3	1740	13.98	0.75	0.79	        	        
	15.69	0.9	-6.3	        	        	16.09	5280	42	74.5	1730	15.29	0.75	0.78	        	        
	16.91	0.9	-6.3	        	        	17.29	5480	43	76.1	1770	16.49	0.75	0.77	        	        
	18.2	0.9	-6.3	        	        	18.6	5720	45	76.9	1730	17.71	0.75	0.75	        	        
	19.42	0.9	-6.3	        	        	19.82	5880	45	75.7	1700	19.02	0.75	0.74	        	        
	20.81	0.9	-6.3	        	        	21.23	6080	47	75.3	1680	20.33	0.75	0.73	        	        
	22.14	0.9	-6.3	        	        	22.64	6080	45	0	1150	21.63	0.75	0.73

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Low MAF reading for a mapped car. 150g/s is more like a standard k03s figure..
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I can't post the graph for the first 3 blocks asked for to big for the board.
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Low MAF reading for a mapped car. 150g/s is more like a standard k03s figure..
Here's the first post i did regarding my Liquid Gauge it read 183 bhp back on the 19-09-2009

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So a new MAF?

Can't see anything else wrong?
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I can't post the graph for the first 3 blocks asked for to big for the board.
Just post the most important bits up, block 118 for boost, or email them to me and I'll post them for you

Doubt the MAF is playing up TBH. Is there anyone near you with a 180bhp 1.8T that you could try there MAF and do another log of block 003..
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118 is in post 15 mate.

Yeah i know of two that was next idea tbh to ask them to try theirs.
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