REVO vs APR...... continued....

[WeeG]

Was at a scottish rolling road day today where 35 cars took to the rollers. I was 1st up with the LCR at extreme motorsports. Previously with just the stage 1 new REVO software it had made 322.5 bhp at 6556 rpm and 305 lbs ft torque.

SInce then i had added an APR high pressure fuel pump, a RS4 valve and an VF induction kit. REVO then updated another new map and advanced the timing, fuelling and boost on a stage 1 map.
Today the car made 341.0 bhp at 7200 rpm and 304 lbs ft of torque. Power to the wheel was 308 bhp compared to te previous 296bhp.

After that it was a pal's stage 3 golf gti KO4 conversion (same as stage 2+) And he made 364bhp and 330 lbs ft torque.

Straight after that a boy came in with his Golf gti pirrelli (Edition 30 equivalent) He had went from REVO stage 2 + to APR's (NEW) stage 2+ software at awesome gti. RS4 valve HPFP full miltek system and ITG intake. Before the car was RR'd he had said it didn't feel as quick as his REVO car had been but was more "civilized" to drive. It made on APR's revised stage 2+ today

345bhp and 322 lbs ft torque......


Back to Back with REVO cars.... independant rollers same day etc etc

He is going back to REVO

Discuss....

 

[LeonCR]

Can of worms now opened ;-)

 

[CharlieRCupes]

Its not all about figures though. The APR car may be a lot nicer to drive even though its running less horses
I cant imagine they are very far apart in terms of performance either even though there is a 20bhp difference.

 

[Evan@APR]

So we're using two separate cars' back to back runs as a form of power comparison and accepting these results as definitive? I'm sorry but the apr 2+customer should be seeing bhp figures of 355-365. There has to be some mechanical flaw limiting his results.

If he did a run with revo and then a run with apr and those were the final numbers then this would be more understandable, but from where I'm sitting, two different cars producing two different results isn't very scientific.

That said, I would like to speak with the owner to help him sort his car out and hit the figures we advertise.

Remember guys, it's about same-car performance deltas. How it performed vs. how its performing now. That is the only way actual gains can be accurately established.

 

[vroomtshh]

It wasn't stage 2+ Graham. It was stage 2 and had standard cat back exhaust but had a downpipe

Edit: he wasn't even sure it was definitely stage 2. They had told him it was more like stage 1+

 

[Marshall]

Each and every car is different so it doesn't prove much really.
It's just going to open another debate where anyone that defends APR is going to be called a Revo basher.

If the guy is going back to Revo it would be the ideal comparison if he done the same car the same day with both APR and Revo software.




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[Marshall]

It wasn't stage 2+ Graham. It was stage 2 and had standard cat back exhaust but had a downpipe

Edit: he wasn't even sure it was definitely stage 2. They had told him it was more like stage 1+

That makes it a totally different ball game too.


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[WeeG]

The guy said it was 2+ Gary . Rs4 valve; hpfp, Decat, downtime he was revolution 2+ now Apr. He said to me the Apr was more comfortable to drive but not as aggressive. At least Apr have come back and said there is something not right.

 

[Marshall]

Threads like this are quiet nowadays with no Poverty and Al winding each other up


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[old 'uns]

as someone who thinks it's all a 'Black Art', we're talking 20bhp difference with 2 cars (albeit with same base engine i assume?), anyone care to hazard a guess what the difference out the box as standard was?
surely down the line the +/- makes a difference?
if i jumped in any of the 3, would i notice said difference - i don't think so

this will just escalate into a 'my ***** is bigger than yours' thread & slagging off of said Mappers.....chill

 

[vroomtshh]

The guy said it was 2+ Gary . Rs4 valve; hpfp, Decat, downtime he was revolution 2+ now Apr. He said to me the Apr was more comfortable to drive but not as aggressive. At least Apr have come back and said there is something not right.

That wasn't what he was saying later. Which makes it even harder to make any sort of sense from

 

[Evan@APR]

That wasn't what he was saying later. Which makes it even harder to make any sort of sense from

If this is the case, bonus points to the OP for trying to start some 'ish on my peaceful Saturday. Oh well, it helped fuel my workout at the gym lol!

 

[putridmocha]

Gotta say that your customer service is top notch Apr

 

[Evan@APR]

Gotta say that your customer service is top notch Apr

Thanks man! We do what we can

If anybody in contact with the driver of the GTI finds out he actually is a 2+ making those figures, I would appreciate if you could ask him email or call me at [email protected] or 0845 680 3527.

Thanks!

 

[invisiblekid]

Was at a scottish rolling road day today where 35 cars took to the rollers. I was 1st up with the LCR at extreme motorsports. Previously with just the stage 1 new REVO software it had made 322.5 bhp at 6556 rpm and 305 lbs ft torque.

SInce then i had added an APR high pressure fuel pump, a RS4 valve and an VF induction kit. REVO then updated another new map and advanced the timing, fuelling and boost on a stage 1 map.
Today the car made 341.0 bhp at 7200 rpm and 304 lbs ft of torque. Power to the wheel was 308 bhp compared to te previous 296bhp.

After that it was a pal's stage 3 golf gti KO4 conversion (same as stage 2+) And he made 364bhp and 330 lbs ft torque.

Straight after that a boy came in with his Golf gti pirrelli (Edition 30 equivalent) He had went from REVO stage 2 + to APR's (NEW) stage 2+ software at awesome gti. RS4 valve HPFP full miltek system and ITG intake. Before the car was RR'd he had said it didn't feel as quick as his REVO car had been but was more "civilized" to drive. It made on APR's revised stage 2+ today

345bhp and 322 lbs ft torque......


Back to Back with REVO cars.... independant rollers same day etc etc

He is going back to REVO

Discuss....

Just a couple of things (I'm not getting in to the Revo vs APR debate because it's really boring now) - Do Revo now map for the VF intake? I thought they had MAF issues? I know GIAC map for VF & EvoMS.

Secondly, why does a Stage 1 map, which supposedly requests less fuel, need a fuel pump and RS4 valve upgrade? That's Stage 2/2+ equipment - are you planning to add a DP/exhaust? Or would I be correct in saying that the Stage 1 map is slowly merging in to Stage 2?

 

[Seat racer]

My cars shinier than your car

 

[AndrewJB]

G was going Stage2+ but his downpipe didn't fit

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[Marshall]

If you add a hpfp to a stage 1 or stage 2 car is there much of a difference in power without the 2+ software?
Adding a APR pump to mine in the next few weeks and wondered if I'd notice any difference without the 2+ software.

 

[AndrewJB]

It wasn't stage 2+ Graham. It was stage 2 and had standard cat back exhaust but had a downpipe

Edit: he wasn't even sure it was definitely stage 2. They had told him it was more like stage 1+

So if this is true what he is actually running is a very similar set up as Graeme's stage2+ hardware with stage 1+ mapping?

If the above is true then the cars both made very similar figures 4bhp difference

 

[chuckb]

My cars shinier than your car

My cars prettier than your car