REVO vs APR...... continued....

[Al]

Threads like this are quiet nowadays with no Poverty and Al winding each other up

I am glad Poverty is gone from here to be honest - he never did Revo or APR (both forum sponsors) or himself any favours and his posts got pretty boring and samey latterly with the usual pish being posted.

Evan - if you are still coming North in 2 weeks, there is another r/r day planned in the Scotland section on the 13th October in Glasgow and a track day at Knockhill on the 20th . Would be a good chance to show what a properly set up APR car can do

With regard to the results, as mentioned, figures could be down to anything - was the r/r that accurate by the way G? I saw an R32 making over 270bhp - what mods did it have to do that?

 

[Al]

Heres the plot I found from today

So its a 240bhp MK4 R32 with a Milltek and a map making 36bhp over book - lad from Aberdeen had cams, manifold map intake and map and never made those figures.

Out of interest, what wheel hp figures were the aforementioned cars making G? What was yours doing at the wheels? Very interesting that yours topped out at the red line power wise - the old Revo Stage 1 I had on my old car map topped out a lot sooner - bet you are delighted nonetheless - be careful and keep it shiny side up ya bam!

 

[WeeG]

Heres the plot I found from today

So its a 240bhp MK4 R32 with a Milltek and a map making 36bhp over book - lad from Aberdeen had cams, manifold map intake and map and never made those figures.

Out of interest, what wheel hp figures were the aforementioned cars making G? What was yours doing at the wheels? Very interesting that yours topped out at the red line power wise - the old Revo Stage 1 I had on my old car map topped out a lot sooner - bet you are delighted nonetheless - be careful and keep it shiny side up ya bam!

The r32 made 212 at wheels. John admitted the 4wd cars fly figures could be out. The r32 was full exhaust induction kit and stage 2 map.

My Leon made 306 and 308 at wheels. That gti Pirelli made 312 at the wheels. Yeh the new map just keeps making power al.

I dunno why the guy wud say the mods he had and that he was 2+ and then said it was not :S I never heard that but not saying he didn't. What he did say clearly was that his new apr map was tamer than his old revo. But was more comfortable to drive. All cars made around right power. Some slightly higher some lower. A 350 bhp noble made 270 bhp lol! A 500 bhp s3 made 460 odd

 

[vroomtshh]

Extreme rollers are very dodgy IMO. My standard car made 20bhp more than it should. Loads of people today were making more than expected. Then there's standard torque figures with BHp 40 up over expected, people making 70 less than they should be etc.

For example, I made 130whp standard, 185 flywheel
This time I made 190 who, 230 fly. So I have less drivetrain losses now. I wonder who stol my rear driveshafts

 

[EndlessNameless]

My cars prettier than your car

My car's nearer to my house than your car.

 

[wild willy]

The comparison of cars performance by comparing peak figures is so narrow minded and shows ignorance. I recently ran on a mainline dyno and one of its features is it calculates the average torque and bhp figures for the run ie area under the curve. Now thats a fair comparison of performance between cars. It is quite possible that a car with less peak figures is more powerful than one with bigger headline figures as the power and torque may be less but sustained for longer.

 

[chuckb]

Its all about the willy waving.

So therefore .................. My willy is bigger than your willy.

Ok here is my 50p's worth. Every tuner has its features and benefits, personally Im torn between APR and REVO for my next upgrade, I dont want Focus RS / Scooby busting figures. I want bettter progression and a smoother power curve. i want better economy, (dreamer ). I want that bit extra for track day and run wot u brung days.

So Im reading this with interest however as I found with different companies, its a roller lottery. I am very lucky that we have a set at work and are regularly calibrated (Its part of the students course) An ours give different figures to a company down the road who are a REVO dealership, however the variations between companies are considerable... Im still at a loss as to who to go with. REVO were great with my Bocanegra especially as I had 3 different engines in that car. Not sure about the support from APR however they do seem to provide an excellent service... Reading all this Im still in a quandry??????

 

[WeeG]

My results from yesterday

 

[WeeG]

The power looks to be sustained for a pretty long time to me...

 

[sgb27]

What I very rarely see done is running the same car twice on the RR to see what the error is. The car that runs first, run it again at the end of the session and compare the results. You're never going to get the exact same figure even with exactly the same car and exactly the same RR.

 

[invisiblekid]

My car's nearer to my house than your car.

My cars Dad is bigger than your cars Dad...

 

[WeeG]

What I very rarely see done is running the same car twice on the RR to see what the error is. The car that runs first, run it again at the end of the session and compare the results. You're never going to get the exact same figure even with exactly the same car and exactly the same RR.

No you won't but on the day they should be within 5bhp. Your never gonna get an exact result but this is as good as close unless you uploaded different maps to the same car. But again these base maps can be adjusted by the tuner no end to the point of unsafe operation. I am only discussing what I saw on the day

 

[wild willy]

Hey WeeG,
Thats a great power and torque graph mate. Last week i ran against another strong APR stage 2 2.0T car and it slaughtered my hybrid 1.8t. The 2.0T engine and turbo is simply awesome. It also blows away the big turbo's imho simply because you get ridicuously high levels of torque so early in the rev range.
My only slight critisism is i'd like to know why your different runs aren't repeating so well, but wmi will sort that out.

 

[WeeG]

Hey WeeG,
Thats a great power and torque graph mate. Last week i ran against another strong APR stage 2 2.0T car and it slaughtered my hybrid 1.8t. The 2.0T engine and turbo is simply awesome. It also blows away the big turbo's imho simply because you get ridicuously high levels of torque so early in the rev range.
My only slight critisism is i'd like to know why your different runs aren't repeating so well, but wmi will sort that out.

My first 2 runs slipped the rollers, due to wet cold tyres, probs a bit of heat soak

 

[chuckb]

My cars Dad is bigger than your cars Dad...

My mums bigger than your mum!.......... Oh!!


Moving on to yer momma jokes now

 

[kilner]

my dads d1ck is bigger than your dads d1ck

 

[putridmocha]

I think we get the point now

 

[WeeG]

lol i bet most of you guys are older than me. And the sh*t comments that are useless to the topic are unbelievable and cringeworthy. Get a grip lads

 

[kilner]

to be fair this just remind me of .....


ATI AND NVIDIA fanboys

its the same with APR V REVO

its also the same with

liverpool fc vs newcastle

each person has ther prefrence of what they think is the best

the resson things like this turn into arguments is becos

both companys are so perfect that ther is hardly anything in it

i think if you had to choose between APR N REVO it would be for the difrence in the sticker not the actual map

 

[Marshall]

Pretty much true that.
Whoever you choose to map your car if your happy which everyone seems to be whether Revo or APR then you are confident you made the best choice.

WeeG is happy with his Revo map and believes he has made the right choice.
I have chosen APR and believe I have made the right choice.

Would be good to see the same car on the sameday with both software to see though.



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