60000 Mile Camshaft Belt & Water Pump Change

[The_Saint]

Seat dealers have quoted approx £460, is this the going rate? I'm going to get a quote from a local independent I trust obviously.

 

[Crafoo]

About right, £498 according to the website, if they quoted £460 take it

http://www.seat.co.uk/content/uk/br...cessories/service/it-s-fixed-maintenance.html

 

[locky]

Not sure if its more expensive for dervs but a vag specialist said to me around 350 using genuine parts for mine.

 

[GS16LRHP]

I paid £399 for all parts and labour at my local VAG independent in 2014. New belt, tensioners, water pump and anti freeze.
I have seen some VW dealers advertise two different prices for a cambelt change, one with no water pump change and one with a new water pump with the comment "replace water pump if necessary" hmm.

SEAT webpage for petrol cambelt change: £299 and £369 diesel:
http://www.seat.co.uk/content/uk/br...cessories/service/it-s-fixed-maintenance.html

 

[chr1sd]

parts to do timing belt and water pump will be around £140 from TPS.
You should be able to get a decent Indie to do it for around £150 - £200 labour.

 

[raylee25]

I called Seat in Milton Keynes the other day for a quote for a cambelt and waterpump. They said its £450inc VAT. But they said for a CR 170 built in 2011, it doesn't need changing until 140k miles or 5 years.
Does the 140k miles sound too high?

 

[Crafoo]

I called Seat in Milton Keynes the other day for a quote for a cambelt and waterpump. They said its £450inc VAT. But they said for a CR 170 built in 2011, it doesn't need changing until 140k miles or 5 years.
Does the 140k miles sound too high?

Cupra R is 120k i believe, but I'm sure from memory that all other models required a change before reaching that mileage. I posted a screenshot from the owners manual on here ages back which details the exact intervals.

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[raylee25]

He typed in my chassis number and sent me a screenshot of the page, and it does say 140k miles

 

[Crafoo]

He typed in my chassis number and sent me a screenshot of the page, and it does say 140k miles

They seem to change the intervals almost on an hourly basis so it doesn't surprise me, but unless you're a high miler you're unlikely to reach 140k before the 5 years.

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[will_0407]

I called Seat in Milton Keynes the other day for a quote for a cambelt and waterpump. They said its £450inc VAT. But they said for a CR 170 built in 2011, it doesn't need changing until 140k miles or 5 years.
Does the 140k miles sound too high?

I have a 2012 (12) plate 170FR TDI, and my service book says 140,00. Doesn't mention 5 years but I'd guess it was whichever comes first.

 

[The_Saint]

Thanks for all the replies, it seems that I wrote down the quote wrong, it is £498 which curiously is what the independent I asked came up with, in his quote the parts add up to £277 so fair enough.

Obvious question I suppose, but I have often wondered why the mechanism that rotates the camshaft isn't made of something that lasts the lifetime of the engine, I'm sure the answer is cost or "just because".

 

[chr1sd]

Thanks for all the replies, it seems that I wrote down the quote wrong, it is £498 which curiously is what the independent I asked came up with, in his quote the parts add up to £277 so fair enough.

Obvious question I suppose, but I have often wondered why the mechanism that rotates the camshaft isn't made of something that lasts the lifetime of the engine, I'm sure the answer is cost or "just because".

£277 for parts? think they are trying it on. The trade price for a timing belt kit is £100 inc vat and a waterpump is about £25 after surcharge refund.

Am I missing something here? Do garages charge the customers 'retail price' on parts aspart of services? in which case they are making money on parts as well?

If this is the case, you might be better off asking Sere Motors on here for a quote and tell the garage you are supplying the parts yourself and you just want a labour cost.
If the Indie fits genuine parts, and something fails, it has to go to a Seat Dealership anyway for warranty.

 

[GS16LRHP]

£277 for parts? think they are trying it on. The trade price for a timing belt kit is £100 inc vat and a waterpump is about £25 after surcharge refund.

Am I missing something here? Do garages charge the customers 'retail price' on parts aspart of services? in which case they are making money on parts as well?

If this is the case, you might be better off asking Sere Motors on here for a quote and tell the garage you are supplying the parts yourself and you just want a labour cost.
If the Indie fits genuine parts, and something fails, it has to go to a Seat Dealership anyway for warranty.

Agreed, that's too high for just the parts. If anything it's the labour that's expensive

 

[Dorny]

£277 for parts? think they are trying it on. The trade price for a timing belt kit is £100 inc vat and a waterpump is about £25 after surcharge refund.

Am I missing something here? Do garages charge the customers 'retail price' on parts aspart of services? in which case they are making money on parts as well?

If this is the case, you might be better off asking Sere Motors on here for a quote and tell the garage you are supplying the parts yourself and you just want a labour cost.
If the Indie fits genuine parts, and something fails, it has to go to a Seat Dealership anyway for warranty.

If a garage is using genuine parts then they will get the parts at trade price which is is only around 10-15% off retail and the car manufacturer tells them the RRP that they have to charge.
Its daft if a garage charges more than the RRP for the parts because its easy to find out.

And yes garages do make a tiny bit of money on the parts aswell as the labour. Its just the way it is, its part of how they make money. You bring you own parts. depending on the job they will slightly increase the labour quote to compensate from the lack of profits from the parts.

 

[ramborobert]

Im confused on the Timing belt mileage Ive read everything from 40k 4 years to 120k 5 years for the Cupra R which is it?

 

[Dorny]

My Local mechanic said that Seat (all manufactures do this) originally said 120k being very optimistic but then had cases of belts snapping/slipping occurring or tensioner failing a lot earlier so they lowered the mileage recommended for the changing of the belt/waterpump. For my Cupra K1 their systems said 60k

 

[Muttley]

Seat timing belt recommendations used to be:

LEON Mk2, TOLEDO Mk3, ALTEA 2.0 FSI, TFSI all - 180,000km, 120k miles

LEON Mk2, TOLEDO Mk3, ALTEA ALL EXCEPT 2.0 FSI, TFSI all - 90,000km 60k miles (recheck every 30km, 20k miles)

IMPORTANT NOTES
1) Timing belts need replaced every 4 years even if the mileage has not been reached
2) These are guidelines only
3) This is based on SEAT's guidelines - it is as accurate as possible but human error can and does occur
4) SEAT dont always recommend the tensioner is replaced but it is best practice to fit timing belt kits rather than just belts on their own

 

[raylee25]

Are the tensioners and water pump part of the kit?

 

[Sully]

Are the tensioners and water pump part of the kit?

Tensioner are in the kit, water pump is not. DAYCO Kit contains - Belt, tensioner, 2 x idler pulleys and 2 x studs to fit the pulleys (so I assume they are stretch studs and need replacing)

 

[outstandingwork]

I had three quotes for this work on an FR. Prices for parts, labour and VAT vary between £350 (VW specialist) and £490 (another independent specialist in NW London).. Seat West London were in the middle. My best quote for parts alone came to about £80 inc VAT.