Clutch Help, Not Disengaging!

AshFR · Jan 5, 2013

Hi all. Ive got a clutch problem with my Leon FR. I was driving along in 2nd gear when coming round a roundabout and when to change to 3rd but wouldnt go in to gear, tried getting it back in 2nd and still couldnt so put it in neutral and stopped. With the clutch fully pressed to the floor tried putting it in 1st but it just made a gears grinding noise and wouldnt go in at all. Tried it with every other gear and reverse still couldnt get it in and the same grinding noise. So i stopped engine fully pressed the clutch and put it in 1st and keep clutch fully down then i went to start it and the car started to move so i stopped and tried it again in reverse, the exact same so it seems like the clutch isnt disengaging. Its been doing it on a off for a few weeks but only very briefly but i just thought maybe im not pushing clutch to the floor so i just let it off in neutral then put in back down and went in to gear fine.

Anyway, i looked in brake fluid res and it looked a bit low, looked like it could have been below the pipe that comes out of the side of the res to the clutch master cylinder. So i opened the haynes manual for the first time on this car and said i needed a pressure bleeding kit so i got one and ended up flushed neary 1L of brake fluid though and made sure the res was on the MAX line. Pumped clutch pedal a few times then started it and pumped it a few more times then tried getting in to gear but not a change, just the same grinding noise. Still the same so im wondering what the problem is??? The pedal is NOT spongy or on the floor, it feels the same as it always has.

BTW, had a new clutch (southbend daily driver stage 2) and new slave cylinder in Febuary.

Im thinking it must be the master cylinder and ive checked for leaks under car, in the footwell but nothing.

Any ideas guys?

Thanks very much

AshFR · Jan 6, 2013

Anyone???

PSX · Jan 7, 2013

It's interesting that the pedal action is OK but the master cylinder is the suspected problem. I would expect a dud master cylinder to affect pedal movement somewhat.

In any case - if the slave has been done, yes I would suspect the master cylinder. Are you losing any hydraulic fluid from the master cylinder into the footwell? It's not too expensive of a job for a garage to do - but a bit of a ballache for yourself to have head and shoulders in the drivers footwell.

Hope this helps

Alex

AshFR · Jan 8, 2013

Not losing any fluid at all. Anyway left the car standing for 2 days jumped in it started it and it was perfect like normal for about 15 miles then i had to drive it back home without the clutch as it wouldnt disengage. So the car fixed itself (after i was pissed off and slammed the bonnet down) then it started working perfect, kept changing between gears all the time to make sure parked up theit failed again and stuck like it again. Ive been told it could be the input shaft but this doesnt sound right to me as surely if it was the input shaft, the car wouldnt move whatsoever even when i try and start it in any gear??? Thought German quality was good. Ive had 2 peugeots 306's in the past 3 years and havent had no problem with them whatsoever so starting to make me think.

AshFR · Jan 14, 2013

New clutch on its way from Darkside Developments under warrenty. Should hopefully be fitted Wednesday and back on the road but you new know. Just hope this is the problem and nothing any more serious.

JDUB 20V · Jan 15, 2013

So they are sdending new clutch kit out without seeing the old unit?

AshFR · Jan 15, 2013

Yep garage where car is at got the full clutch kit delivered today apart from flywheel as that is a SMF so cant really go wrong lol. Hopefully if the problem is clutch should be done tomorrow. Hoping its not a gearbox, if so thats £774 for a recon

JDUB 20V · Jan 15, 2013

Thats really good service

bkingb · Jan 16, 2013

I had similar problem but my clutch pedal wasnt coming back up it was the clutch master cylinder which is a faulty on these cars as they can go weak>

AshFR · Jan 16, 2013

Well new clutch was fitted today

and all is fine so far woop. As you can by the pictures, the clutch disc was only wearing on the outside so my mechanic said it looks like the disc might be warped and got jammed at some point which wouldnt let the clutch disengage. Just hoping its not the flywheel thats the problem as that hasnt been replaced.

AshFR · Mar 29, 2013

Give up with this bloody car.

As you all know had new clutch fitted on 16/01/13 and all was fine then but now its started playing up yesterday. Hard to get in to gear when moving. If your stationary with engine running and clutch down, you can select any gear ok, but when moving, it doesnt want to change gear at all. Getting out of gear is fine but doing from 2nd to 3rd, 3rd to 4th, etc..... it really doesnt like it. You have to play around with the stick then ram it in to gear.

I hope to god its not clutch related but im not 100% it isnt. Any ideas whats going on?

Oh and i thought i would adjust the gear selector cables by locking the gearstick in place, etc..... but now one of the 3 plastic legs that grip the cable have broke off so not gripping very well. Ive put a cable tie on it to clamp them to the cable now and it seemed fine but i didnt dare drive it just in case i get stuck in a gear or in neutral so need to try and get another cable end now on a bank holiday

Anyone have any ideas why its hard to get in to gear though? Ive bleed the clutch again and just adjusted the gear cables but as i said i havent tried driving it as one of those plastic legs broke off and i dont want to be stuck?

If it is the clutch again, anyone know of a decent one (NOT SOUTHBEND) that will take 191bhp and 324 ft/ibs torque?

Thanks.

JDUB 20V · Mar 29, 2013

Surely a new standard Diesel unit should be able to handle the power.

AshFR · Mar 30, 2013

JDUB 20V said:
Surely a new standard Diesel unit should be able to handle the power.

Nope they can't handle the torque.

Fixed the cable linkages now, blead the system but its the same. If I push clutch pedal to the floor and put it in 1st, you have to give it a little force and hear the engine note change then all you need to do is lift your foot up on clutch a tiny but and it starts biting properly when before the biting point was a bit higher up so it looks like hydraulic problem and the clutch isn't clearing properly. It had a new clutch and slave cylinder 3 months ago. I've checked for leaks at master cylinder but nothing leaking. The fluid level is OK as well so I haven't got a clue unless the slave cylinder is failing again. Anyone shed some light on this? Fed up with this clutch system now. Thanks.

Eggs · Nov 2, 2013

Did you get a result on this in the end bud? I've got similar problems although not quite as extreme just a little clunk going into some gears and occasionally gets locked in reverse so have to turn the engine off to release it back to neutral.

maddox · Dec 24, 2013

having a similar problem with the lcr! any feedback on the cause for you guys?

Eggs · Dec 24, 2013

The main cause of my problem was the valve on top of the gearbox leaking. I now have a problem of the clutch pedal not always returning fully to the top which the garage says is just to the input shaft of the gearbox being worn causing the thrust bearing catching on the lip. Yay.

maddox · Dec 24, 2013

Eggs said:
The main cause of my problem was the valve on top of the gearbox leaking. I now have a problem of the clutch pedal not always returning fully to the top which the garage says is just to the input shaft of the gearbox being worn causing the thrust bearing catching on the lip. Yay.

thanks for the reply dude

so your new problem is nothing to do with the old one? how did you sort the leaking valve? will need to have a look tomorrow, its not getting stuck in gear but sometimes hard to put into gear from neutral

Eggs · Dec 24, 2013

I don't think so it's just ware and tear, it's done nearly 150k and needs to go in the bin now. I got the garage to replace the valve, looks like a T piece. Get someone to pump the clutch and listen under the bonnet, we could hear it sucking air. Other possibilities are the slave and master cylinders, unfortunately the slave is a gearbox off job...

maddox · Dec 24, 2013

i've heard if the slave or masters go you either get a spongey peddle or it hits the floor.... i take it the valve is a gearbox on job if it needs replaced? thats my lcr hit 91k :| just going for its stage 1 next month as well!!!

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