Mk 1 LC tdi PD150 brake size frustration

MOZ_LC_TDI · Jun 8, 2015

Hi guys, sorry for yet another brake size post, but I'm as frustrated as hell.
Brake wear indicator came on on my way home. Took front and rear wheels off to inspect the disks and pads and determine what's I need to order. Need new front pads but am going to do the disks as well.
Put everything back together, did a few errands and now looking at ordering parts.

After a hell of a lot of searching and confusion I'm still frustrated that there isn't a definitive answer.

Everything I read indicated that the pd150 had FN3 288mmx25 disks, but I'm sure I measured mine to be 280 x 22 which suggests the FSIII. This goes against all the info I can find about the Leon cupra mk1 pd150 ( mines an 04).

I'm led to believe the FSIII or FN3 is stamped on the caliber and viewable through the wheel, but I can't see it.
Can anyone help confirm if the 280mm disk was fitted to some LC mk1s and also if anyone can let me know where the stamp is visible on thdcaliper.
Worst case I'm going to have to take my wheel off again tomorrow at work, not ideal.
What a pain!!!!
Thanks for any help.
Moz

MOZ_LC_TDI · Jun 9, 2015

Sorted, Took wheel back off at work today and did a propper measurement.

Sure enough it is the 288 x 25 disk.

Shame the 280 is so close in size when trying to do a quick measure (or when measuring later with the wheel on), that will teach me to be more thorough measuring in the future and checking what disks sizes to expect before measuring.

Doh!! but sorted - now to cough up some cash and buy some replacements.

still couldn't see the FSIII or FN3 stamp on the caliper tho, even after wire brushing the crud off. Anyone know where the stamp should be to help anyone else who has this dilemma in the future.

Thanks everyone

Moz

bruceR · Jun 9, 2015

Hi MOZ, think the stamp is towards the inner part of the caliper.

Muttley · Jun 9, 2015

I can't remember ever finding a stamp or cast ident of any kind. Just using a Haynes manual it's pretty obvious which caliper is which from their construction.

MOZ_LC_TDI · Jun 9, 2015

Muttley said:
I can't remember ever finding a stamp or cast ident of any kind. Just using a Haynes manual it's pretty obvious which caliper is which from their construction.

Thanks, unfortunately I don't have a Haynes so no reference. Just a lot of posts indicating the type stamped on the caliper and visible with the wheel fitted. I can't find the stamp so just wondered for others in the future.
It also turns out that getting the correct pads isn't obvious either, after 4 phone calls to different motor factors all saying there are different pads with so many options and not able to tell from my chassis number or the fact I knew the disc size, I had to resort to phoning Seat customer services for the part nos so the motor factors could cross reference for the correct ones .
Discs easy once you know the size, but pads a nightmare!!
Do for anyone else in the future, if it saves you 3 hours of immense frustration these are the Seat part nos for the 288mm disc and pads for the front.

Front pads: 1J0698151M
Front discs: 6R0615301A

Hope this helps. Hopefully the replacement will be smoother than the identification and purchasing.

Hope this helps someone else, never had so much trouble with pads and discs on any other car I've owned.
Moz

sockpuppet · Jun 10, 2015

I have a 2005 FR+ and there is no wear sensor connectors on my car so the first set of OEM pads I fitted, I ended up cutting the sensor wire off the front pad. Always used Non OEM after and never had a problem 288mm disks on the front and 232mm on the back. Make sure you have the windback tool for the rears as you need to push and turn the piston for it to go back.

MOZ_LC_TDI · Jun 10, 2015

I Agree, ive never used OEM pads and always get after market but quality pads.

I put the OEM part numbers on because you need these when buying after market ones from motor factors for them to cross reference against to ensure you get the correct equivalent size and shape, as so many different types appear with your reg and VIN number on their system.

Ive bought some aftermarket discs and pads from ECP to fit later today.

As a quick tip if you haven't come across it already when buying from ECP, phone your local branch and get them to quote for the bits rather than using the online advertising discounts or even forum club discount codes. I priced it up online yesterday and was coming in at £98 for front pads and discs, with alleged 30% discounts. Due to the confusion over the pads I phoned my local ECP branch and once it was sorted which were correct they ordered them for me over the phone for £84, so £15 cheaper than their online heavily discounted price. Ive had this with GSF too in the past.
Always worth giving them a call to see before ordering online (some times you get a situation where some bits of a big order are cheaper on line where as others are better in store, so order the cheaper parts on line and click and collect at the store and get the rest of your order when you pick the online parts up.

thanks again
Moz

Muttley · Jun 10, 2015

For everyone elses's reference, the chassis number is part of the VIN code, which will be stamped on the bodywork under the windscreen scuttle, on the sticker on the suspension mounting and on the build sticker in the service manual and under the carpet in the boot.

If, for example, the VIN is VSS ZZZ 1M Z 2B123456 then the chassis number is 123456. The 2B part means that the model year of the chassis is 2002 and that it was made in the Brussels plant.

MOZ_LC_TDI · Jun 10, 2015

Regarding the FSIII or FN3 stamp on the caliper, I have seen a few online videos for changing the brakes and the FSIII is obvious, its massive and right across the view able face of the caliper FS on one half in big 2 inch'ish letters and III same size lettering on the other half (which will be view able through a wheel spoke gap. The FN3, I haven't seen at all so may not be visible (I will find out later when I change mine), but it should be easy to tell, if it doesn't have an obvious FSIII then they should be FN3 type.

Hope this helps, if i find the FN3 later I will add again.

All the best.

Moz

Born2bwild · Jun 10, 2015

Saw this thread and thought I’d give it a read as I recently replaced my brakes all round on my 2005 FR 150 tdi.
I was the same, I looked for some handy info online first and came across different calliper types and then found myself looking for a stamp which I couldn’t find so it was tools out, wheels off, then discs off to measure. While I was in there I inspected and serviced the callipers, guide pins etc and as I had done one side (front and back), I done the other while I had the tools at hand. This ensured if there were any problems I could order the parts along with discs, pads and other service items to ensure I got the job done.
Forget about caliper size. Ultimately its disc size your after. My fronts were 288mm x 25mm, the backs were 232mm x 9mm. As Muttley suggested, this along with your chassis number is all you should need. I ordered mine from TPS and had them delivered and fitted the next day. No problem. Job done.
Front discs: £40.16 Pads: £23.51
Rear discs: £34.50 Pads: £11.94

Bigjohn84 · Jun 10, 2015

http://www.partscats.info/seat/en/?...130&set=135&ein=2004&f=268&hauptgr=1234567890

MOZ_LC_TDI · Jun 10, 2015

Cheers guys, job done

, as expected, job was easier than finding the info and ordering the parts, although passenger side was a bit of a pig with the old disc rusted and seized on to the hub, but yes, pretty straight forward.

If your going to do it yourself for the first time make sure you have a 7 mm hex head Allen key. I thought I had one but my range of keys skipped 7mm so had to abandon half way through to get one from a local tool store. Apart from that, a piece of cake.

By the way, couldn't spot any FN3 stamp.
Moz

Born2bwild · Jun 10, 2015

Like I say, doesn't matter too much about caliper size as ours is good for 310mm dics (with the appropriate 310mm carriers). Someone correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the FSIII calipers made for 280mm discs? Pretty sure these calipers bolt straight onto the hubs i.e without carriers...
Moz, good to hear you got the job done in the end! If this is your first time why don't you condense the info on this thread for newcomers?

Born2bwild · Jun 10, 2015

Born2bwild said:
Like I say, doesn't matter too much about caliper size as ours is good for 310mm dics (with the appropriate 310mm carriers). Someone correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the FSIII calipers made for 280mm discs? Pretty sure these calipers bolt straight onto the hubs i.e without carriers...
Moz, good to hear you got the job done in the end! If this is your first time why don't you condense the info on this thread for newcomers?

Assuming it hasn't already been done lol

MOZ_LC_TDI · Jun 10, 2015

already been done, the guide here is spot on

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=140322

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