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[RPGWiZaRD]

Another case for not picking Mightnight black roof in my case at least, at work the parking space is located near a graveyard/bunch of trees and there's like constantly stuff blowing from the trees and plants (and birds tend to drop **** on the roof almost weekly) and at home I have an open garage (just roof and walls) and pollen tends to find its way to the car in the early summer creating like a layer of dust so with black all this would stand out much better on the black roof color so would require more maintenance if you care to keep your car in good looks.

EDIT: I guess we could add the panoramic roof to the discussion as well, it is +650€ extra but if talking pure exterior looks, to me it looks visually preferable from the outside to having painted the whole roof black as it keeps part of the backroof as body paint. For me though a sunroof is not really that useful, just means more heat gets inside, more energy goes into keeping it cool etc. Also it makes it brighter inside which kinda goes against the reason to have interior lighting to begin with. At least I didn't have it personally in contention but visually it looks quite good from the exterior too I'll admit.

 

[ian_106]

If you have any paint issues with the roof it going to be easier to fix a black one plus blend in with the sunroof.

 

[Tell]

Gets hot thou in the sun with radiated heat. Extra load on the AC . Think the "colour" is there for the sporty look that some may want. Personal thing a regular looking car verses one pepped up with a go faster roof.

There is a grey roof as well as black looking at the UK configurator:

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[SRGTD]

If you have any paint issues with the roof it going to be easier to fix a black one plus blend in with the sunroof.

Agree.

I think it’s a shame that Cupra don’t offer some more vibrant paint colours. I dare say the Raval will appeal to many younger customers who would prefer something less muted than the (almost) exclusively dark colour palette to choose from. Glacial White is the only bright colour on offer.

If I was considering a Raval, paint colour choice would be decided by a process of elimination;

• I’d definitely avoid the Manganese Green matte paint because of the issues of maintaining a matte paint finish; doesn’t lend itself to DIY stone chip repairs, and it’s not possible to polish out minor scratches on matte paint without removing the matte finish (scratch repairs might mean a whole panel respray with blending into adjoining panels).
• I’d also avoid Plasma Iridescent ‘special’ paint which, because of it’s ‘chameleon’ nature of appearing to change colour in different lighting conditions, I imagine would be a nightmare to repair and get an accurate paint colour match. Being a dark gloss finish, it’d also be prone to paint swirls - if you want to keep that factory fresh look for your car’s paintwork, always use a ‘safe’ 2 or 3 bucket wash method to minimise the risk of swirling, avoid auto car washes and the many cheap hand car wash places and never ever let the dealer wash the car. Plasma Iridescent reminds me of the Mystic Green iridescent paint used by Nissan in the 1980’s or 1990’s on the Primera (Google it if you’re not familiar with the colour).
• The dark metallic colour options - Magnetic Tech Grey and Midnight Black will be susceptible to paint swirls (safe wash method needed to minimise them), and both colours will be a labour of love to keep looking good. I’ve owned many black and dark grey cars; never again - it takes lots of time and effort to keep them looking good.

That just leaves a choice of either Fiord Blue or Glacial White. I’d probably go for Glacial White as IMHO it would be easier to maintain than Fiord Blue, it hides swirl marks well, should be easy to get an accurate colour match if paintwork repairs are ever needed, stone chip repairs by the competent DIY’er shouldn’t be noticeable and minor scratches can be polished out without issue. I’d want to see a Glacial White Raval in the flesh first though before ordering one.

That’s just my personal view and we’re all different and have different likes and dislikes, which is a good thing .

 

[jezyg]

Agree.

I think it’s a shame that Cupra don’t offer some more vibrant paint colours. I dare say the Raval will appeal to many younger customers who would prefer something less muted than the (almost) exclusively dark colour palette to choose from. Glacial White is the only bright colour on offer.

If I was considering a Raval, paint colour choice would be decided by a process of elimination;

• I’d definitely avoid the Manganese Green matte paint because of the issues of maintaining a matte paint finish; doesn’t lend itself to DIY stone chip repairs, and it’s not possible to polish out minor scratches on matte paint without removing the matte finish (scratch repairs might mean a whole panel respray with blending into adjoining panels).
• I’d also avoid Plasma Iridescent ‘special’ paint which, because of it’s ‘chameleon’ nature of appearing to change colour in different lighting conditions, I imagine would be a nightmare to repair and get an accurate paint colour match. Being a dark gloss finish, it’d also be prone to paint swirls - if you want to keep that factory fresh look for your car’s paintwork, always use a ‘safe’ 2 or 3 bucket wash method to minimise the risk of swirling, avoid auto car washes and the many cheap hand car wash places and never ever let the dealer wash the car. Plasma Iridescent reminds me of the Mystic Green iridescent paint used by Nissan in the 1980’s or 1990’s on the Primera (Google it if you’re not familiar with the colour).
• The dark metallic colour options - Magnetic Tech Grey and Midnight Black will be susceptible to paint swirls (safe wash method needed to minimise them), and both colours will be a labour of love to keep looking good. I’ve owned many black and dark grey cars; never again - it takes lots of time and effort to keep them looking good.

That just leaves a choice of either Fiord Blue or Glacial White. I’d probably go for Glacial White as IMHO it would be easier to maintain than Fiord Blue, it hides swirl marks well, should be easy to get an accurate colour match if paintwork repairs are ever needed, stone chip repairs by the competent DIY’er shouldn’t be noticeable and minor scratches can be polished out without issue. I’d want to see a Glacial White Raval in the flesh first though before ordering one.

That’s just my personal view and we’re all different and have different likes and dislikes, which is a good thing .

Why we keep ending up with white cars! Easiest colour to maintain followed by silver. I think white with a black roof looks nice I had a silver Arona with a black roof and suited the car well gave it sportier look and lower. Black paint is harder to maintain and show all the dust and dirt up. But being just the roof no as bad as the entire car. Only owned two black cars a 318 ES and an Alfa Mito which my eldest still has and yet to break down or have any costly repairs...

 

[ian_106]

You can now book a test drive via the Cupra website in the UK.

 

[Tell]

Dickie bird has told me they will be left hand drive ones . Anyhow atleast they will be in the showrooms. Bemused about insurance cover for the dealer and driver on that test drive . Dealer local humour round here.

 

[alanjs]

I've booked a test drive for 26 June, and confirmed that all cars will be LHD and will probably be Launch Edition spec.
I'm more interested in seeing the car in the flesh and checking out the extra features than the driving as I expect it to be very similar to my current Born. I have 25 years of driving LHD cars but always in countries where you drive on the right so I may restrict myself to the car park!

 

[Tell]

Yes there was a bit of gallows humour from my dealer's salesman about people driving off on the wrong side of the road in LHD.

 

[alanjs]

Yes there was a bit of gallows humour from my dealer's salesman about people driving off on the wrong side of the road in LHD.

.....but not too far off the mark!

 

[RPGWiZaRD]

Hasn't been much reporting of the efficiency yet outside a few comments here and there with the demo cars all using the racing spec tires which an official combined WLTP rating of 16.2 kWh/100km but I've seen a few reports from the Barcelona test driving that's been down to something 16.x ~ 17.x.

Here's the first drive video I've found of a non demo car and it's the 155kw / 211 HP model that is only offered with 18 - 19" non-racing spec tires that measures combined WLTP 13.6 - 14.8 kWh/100km depending on tire option and while this is just a short 15 min drive filmed session it still shows a promissing consumption of between 14.4 - 15 kWh so Raval at least in optimal weather might get very close to the WLTP acclaimed range. Still of course driving autobahn in germany it would be a different story, here in my country 120 km/h motorways are still quite sparse and 100km/h far more common limit (80km/h in the winter) so I'm hopeful to see decent range around here except winter but at least I ordered one with heatpump.

 

[SRGTD]

Hasn't been much reporting of the efficiency yet outside a few comments here and there with the demo cars all using the racing spec tires which an official combined WLTP rating of 16.2 kWh/100km but I've seen a few reports from the Barcelona test driving that's been down to something 16.x ~ 17.x.

Here's the first drive video I've found of a non demo car and it's the 155kw / 211 HP model that is only offered with 18 - 19" non-racing spec tires that measures combined WLTP 13.6 - 14.8 kWh/100km depending on tire option and while this is just a short 15 min drive filmed session it still shows a promissing consumption of between 14.4 - 15 kWh so Raval at least in optimal weather might get very close to the WLTP acclaimed range. Still of course driving autobahn in germany it would be a different story, here in my country 120 km/h motorways are still quite sparse and 100km/h far more common limit (80km/h in the winter) so I'm hopeful to see decent range around here except winter but at least I ordered one with heatpump.

As with ICE cars, there can be quite a difference between the WLTP figures and the real world position.

Renault have a useful little calculator / model on their website that enables users to adjust the WLTP consumption figures to make allowance for driving route type, air temperature, battery charge level, whether the car’s heating is on or off and whether using ‘eco’ driving mode or not. For the Renault 5 with the 52kWh battery and 150 bhp power output, the official WLTP driving range is 252 miles on a full charge. Adjusting the model to reflect a more realistic set of conditions for the UK (driving route; main roads, air temperature; 15 degrees Celsius; heating on, eco mode; off. battery charge level; 80%) and this gives a real world range of 172 miles which is circa 32% less than the WLTP figure. All Renault 5 models have a heat pump as standard and the battery chemistry is the same as that in the more powerful Raval’s.

So quite a difference between between the theoretical and realistic range figures. I acknowledge that there will be other factors that impact the realistic / actual range; e.g. the car’s aerodynamics, driving style, the energy recuperation level set by the driver, whether or not using air con, tyre pressures, whether the car is fully laden or not, weather factors other than temperature such as wind etc., but the above illustrates that drivers shouldn’t place too much faith in the WLTP figures and that the achievable range is likely to be somewhat less.

Edit; doing the same exercise for the top of range Alpine A290 GTS+ (essentially the 220 bhp hot hatch version of the R5) which also has a heat pump as standard, and using the same modelling values as used for the R5, the official WLTP range of 225 miles reduces to 152 miles (32.5% less than the official figure).

 

[RPGWiZaRD]

By now I'd expect at least 75% of EV buyers to know these things, doesn't stop us from predicting and estimating though.

 

[RPGWiZaRD]

I'm still not 100% sold on the color & rim options and here's a little rant that I can only get my favorite ones the nice more "normal" looking Icon² rims only if picking Ahead pack with the racing seats and racing spec tires and the more traditional style Maverick option is only available with non VZ etc. I hate these kind of lock-in tactics, just give us freedom to choose man...

Anyway I think I'll stick to the Fiord Blue color option for the VZ and default Rebel rims instead of the Vandal heavy copper style rims (I'm not fully sold on this color combo that to me would work better with White or Plasma color and they cost 850€ extra when not going for a launch edition, seems a bit excessive to me especially if you're not totally into them for starters), here's a video how that combo looks like:

If going for Rebel rims you have 2 additional options to consider:

1. Remove the plastic piece, here's a pic from the production plant using the Extreme Edition as an example with the sulfur green accents instead of copper but it gives a rough idea, would give a more "normal" rim style look (slightly shorter range but doubt it's much more than 5~10 km or whatever):

2. Paint the plastic piece more darker grey to make it stand out less and seem more "integrated" with this color config. Here's a quick photoshop edit to give a rough idea.

I'll probably end up with either of those 2 options, I like it a lot better when painted darker but I also quite like it removed altogether so having these 2 options makes me sort of lean towards the Rebel rim option as Vandal rims doesn't really have much tweaks, it's take it or leave it as it is. PS, I don't dislike Vandal rims design, just not a big fan of the Fiord Blue + copper color combo, at least not with this much copper (gives me too much camo rain coat vibes ) some accents here and there is OK though.

 

[MarkHa]

My guess is you are ordering in a different country to me. In the UK we are very restricted on a choice of extras, however we have 6 versions to choose from. The ordering system on the website is so confused. This is a screenshot from my order, however the text on the order states that it has Rebel wheels with copper accents, it does not let me pick sulphur, yet it tells me it will be sulphur on the website, and applies it to the image. This is the top version in the UK and is called the Rival Extreme. We are lucky we also get £695 from Cupra to pay towards our paint colour of choice.

The image I am posting looks like the car is Tech Grey. On the order form the photo is its true colour plasma. The wheel inserts on the origrinal photo, and the description says dark grey. Looks like they are different to your order.

It's interesting how each country Cupra are offering a different choice. Anyone know why every country appears to differ? My guess is its worked out by AI on profit from historical ordering data on other cars.

 

[Tell]

Or local management's whim of knowing better for
local markets. If its anything like 10 years ago you and the sales person cross check what you have against what he has, then he generates the order if everyone is happy. The dealer ordering system stood outside of the customer design your car system.

 

[RPGWiZaRD]

My guess is you are ordering in a different country to me. In the UK we are very restricted on a choice of extras, however we have 6 versions to choose from. The ordering system on the website is so confused. This is a screenshot from my order, however the text on the order states that it has Rebel wheels with copper accents, it does not let me pick sulphur, yet it tells me it will be sulphur on the website, and applies it to the image. This is the top version in the UK and is called the Rival Extreme. We are lucky we also get £695 from Cupra to pay towards our paint colour of choice.

The image I am posting looks like the car is Tech Grey. On the order form the photo is its true colour plasma. The wheel inserts on the origrinal photo, and the description says dark grey. Looks like they are different to your order.

It's interesting how each country Cupra are offering a different choice. Anyone know why every country appears to differ? My guess is its worked out by AI on profit from historical ordering data on other cars.

I didn't use any configurator as the available options are only launch editions and I wanted heat pump (probably not available for all countries) which is only being produced starting from September (also Rebel copper rims with VZ is also produced from September etc), you can simply grab the product catalogue and browse through it and mention you want this, this and this option for your car and dealer will put an order for it, you don't have to use any available configurators, they are not necessarily listing all options. At least in Finland we only have Endurance, Endurance Plus (either Fiord Blue or +1000€ for Plasma with black roof) and VZ Extreme for configurators and Endurance Plus is only available in Fiord Blue, the Endurance has bunch of color options but ugly 18" rims only, the Endurance Plus is always Vandal rims and VZ Extreme is matte green with the ahead pack with the special CUP Bucket racing seats and racing spec tires with the sulfur green Rebel rim version etc. I wanted the VZ but DIDN'T want the racing seats and racing tires (prefer the better range) and wanted heat pump and no sun roof etc so I made a custom order instead but that always means the car will be produced starting from September when you don't pick any of the launch editions available in configurators. So there's also plenty of time for me to still change my mind about my trims, currently I have picked the VZ with Fiord Blue and default Rebel rims (copper accent), Edge pack (this comes standard with VZ), drive pack, rebel pack (mainly because gives you discounted Matrix LEDs when u pick VZ version), Light & sound pack (this becomes cheaper together with Rebel pack as Rebel pack also includes the interior light stuff so it's for upgraded sound system), oneinfotainment system and Heat pump.