Coil springs

[verbal_kint]

In my quest to get back to normal ride height on my tdi 130 I am having problems sourcing standard springs due to it having the sports chassis. Everyone wants me to lower it.

To widen my search would I be correct in that springs from other 130's, Golf for example will also do?

Any other's... Octavia

 

[Muttley]

Not sure there is such a thing as a Sports chassis, as far as I know the Sports models have different springs, dampers and anti-roll bars.

Look at the option codes on the build sheet to see how the car left the factory:

G22/G23/G24/G25 = Standard
G26/G61/G62/G63/G64/G96/G99 = Sports

My Toledo TDI 150 Sport had G99 on the build sheet.

Sports suspension is 15mm lower all round than standard suspension, as well as being stiffer. How much was your car lowered by? The normal measurements for the distance between wheel center and top of the wheel arch are:

Standard: 396mm front, 390mm rear
Sports: 381mm front, 375mm rear

Not sure how other manufacturers variations compare to the Leon. I'm sure many of them are the same, but I don't have the data.

 

[verbal_kint]

Thanks Muttley

Not had time to check it out today, having too much fun trying to sort out the new SMIC.

 

[Gabster]

I don't know if it helps but I managed to get hold of new Eibach pro kit springs for 90 quid from eBay.
I got the fr 150pd TDI
Got the standards replaced last week and it looks about the same height. Also got blistein b4 shock absorbers for fairly cheap from eBay as well.

It has all been fitted Friday haven't had a chance to drive it yet still at the garage for MOT till Monday.

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[verbal_kint]

If you haven't fitted them yet can you measure the length? Eibach pro all seem to be lowering springs so would be great if yours are for standard.

 

[Gabster]

It all has been fitted and done by Friday so I seen it with new springs

Went to pick up the car and it turned out that the garage forgot to do MOT that's why it is still there till Monday

 

[Gabster]

Just to add, lowering springs means lowering from standard height.
The springs I got were from some1 who was going to fit them in his seat to lower it.
But it turned out that he had the same make already fitted.
From the pictures he uploaded the car was looking at standard FR height.
That is exactly what I was looking for as I think the FR is low enough as it is. I don't want to replace the front splitter after every bump on the road.

I'm picking up my car Monday. I can take photos and measure the height it's on if you like

Edit:

Just found the picture from ebay with the Eibach springs fitted

And some standard FR's for comparison

 

[verbal_kint]

It is Standard I want to go to. The 130 is lower as normal but the springs out there want to take it another 30mm+ past that.

I have looked at the Eibach many tines in searching and the best I can find still state it goes lowers by 20mm such as their kit E8120-140 and E8121-140. Unless they are taking no account of the already lower rides of the 130. In which case those would be very near to standard.

Have you got the ebay link?

 

[Muttley]

The FR/LCR is different again, no surprise when you think it is a very different suspension setup at the front.

You would see a G92 code in the build sheet to indicate LCR suspension

Wheel center to top of arch measurments for LCR: 371mm front, 375mm rear

Or, to put it another way, the LCR is 25mm lower at the front and 15mm lower at the back, with different dampers and springs all round compared to the Sports setup, I think.

25mm is about as low as you'd really want to go without compromising the safety of your sump on our less-than-perfect roads and still retaining some ride comfort.

 

[Muttley]

I'm not certain, but I think that 'Sport' trim was an option on some cars, and it would include the lowered and stiffened suspension. As far as I know the TDI 150 only came in Sport trim. I do have to say that the difference in comfort and confidence on the road between Standard and Sport was quite noticeable (I had a Standard 110 TDI Toledo before the 150) - cornering was no longer a matter of drunken rolling from side to side and the general level of comfort on poorly maintained B and C roads was not too much different. I loved it, and my current Altea (I know......) is is Sport trim (which in this case does not vary the ride height, just the suspension characteristics).

You will probably want to retain the arb's (you don't get much choice at the back unless you are into replacing the whole rear axle) which will help keep the rolling down. You could always see if someone will sell you a stiffer setup that retains the standard ride height?

More suspension travel means more capacity to soak up big bumps (which we encounter rather too often).

 

[verbal_kint]

My sump has already been hit a few times, as have the sides and back of the subframe as well as the front part of the side rails. It gets worse when loaded with passengers.

My build sheet doesn't seem to have any of the codes you listed.

It states Sport L4 and then in the options list the only G code is GOK

 

[verbal_kint]

The previous owner upgraded the front ARB to a 25mm. The rear is standard built into the axle.

I'll have the car back on the floor soon and will measure the heights.

 

[Gabster]

Have a look at these pages:
Gives you all the available suspension springs with part numbers.

Front suspension:
http://www.oemepc.com/seat/part_sin...411/subcategory/411000/part_id/1417132/lang/e

Rear suspension:
http://www.oemepc.com/seat/part_sin...511/subcategory/511010/part_id/1417132/lang/e

Also If you are truly lost I suggest calling a dealer and they will be able to tell you what was the original setup.
I find my dealer here at Dorset very helpful.

 

[verbal_kint]

@ Gabster That's a nice link, never seen that resource before. Tried to search by VIN and it returns an error.
But think I've found the part number for the springs.

@Muttley The wheel centre to arch is 350mm on the front which is about right as the springs I put on were 30mm lowering.

 

[Muttley]

Right. G0K indicates the six-speed box. If there was going to be a G code for the front suspension it would be almost the last on the list, but for some reason, not all cars have that code. Sport does identify the trim level, so it was built with the 15mm lowered suspension, to Sports standard. Not sure about the L4. My old Toledo had SPORT4P110 - 110 being the engine power in kW.

Edit - just seen your 350mm wheel center - to - arch distance, which is 30mm lowered from the Sports standard. I think you'd be fine going back to the Sports standard springs and dampers.

 

[Gabster]

Same for me, my vin is not recognised either.
I think it works for LHD only.

Nevertheless, I've used this resource for the part numbers of calliper carriers and other bits I ordered for my car.
I can confirm that it's reliable I cross referenced with other resources.

Is a great place to find out what parts are used across other VAG models, click on a part number and it gives a list of the models it's being used in


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[Muttley]

My goodness, so it does (show what other VAG models a part is used on) That's very useful indeed. Even without the PR code for the suspension, any Leon Sports spring should work (apart from those for PR-G92, which is the LCR fit).

 

[Gabster]

Just for reference for you or someone in the future.

Eibach pro kit looks like this on a Leon

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