Dbilas - EVOMS - BSH - (Twintake VS ITG)

[-pseudonymous-]

what acrylic did you use ect? i might give it a bash over the next few weeks

lee

Just 3mm thick gloss black perspex. There are places online that will cut sheets to size if you can't source any locally. I think i paid around £20 delivered for a 700x600mm sheet.

I was going to buy a heatshield from the Evoms or BSH kit but they were priced between £50-£80 and wasn't sure they would fit along side the ITG, so just decided to knock up my own.

 

[Pagey1255]

Just 3mm thick gloss black perspex. There are places online that will cut sheets to size if you can't source any locally. I think i paid around £20 delivered for a 700x600mm sheet.

I was going to buy a heatshield from the Evoms or BSH kit but they were priced between £50-£80 and wasn't sure they would fit along side the ITG, so just decided to knock up my own.

And a fine job you made of it if the pictures are anything to go by.

 

[Smee]

Just 3mm thick gloss black perspex. There are places online that will cut sheets to size if you can't source any locally. I think i paid around £20 delivered for a 700x600mm sheet.

I was going to buy a heatshield from the Evoms or BSH kit but they were priced between £50-£80 and wasn't sure they would fit along side the ITG, so just decided to knock up my own.

i know its cheeky

could you take some measurements for me ill draw you a fancy diagram with arrows

if so drop me a pm with your email details

cheers

 

[robin_nerf]

One question : The ITG filter need's to be cleaned and oiled and the Twintake is not needing this, right ?

 

[Pagey1255]

One question : The ITG filter need's to be cleaned and oiled and the Twintake is not needing this, right ?

Cleaned - yes, not sure about oiling, I cleaned my filter approx' 10k ago and it still looks like new, so don't let that put you off.

 

[Damoegan]

How much do you think a heat shield would reduce the intake temps by before it gets super heated to ~800'C by the turbo....

A heat shield makes no difference...

 

[Smee]

It must do something surely otherwise people wouldn't make covers and enclosed units to keep the heat out

Colder air is more dense so is it more to do With the amount of ambient air at x degrees which would be more the colder it is.

I dunno as I'm not technical about cars at all

Lee

 

[chopper-lew]

How much do you think a heat shield would reduce the intake temps by before it gets super heated to ~800'C by the turbo....

A heat shield makes no difference...

800'C!!!



Bloody hell dude, your gonna need a bigger intercooler!!!! LOL!

 

[Damoegan]

It must do something surely otherwise people wouldn't make covers and enclosed units to keep the heat out

Colder air is more dense so is it more to do With the amount of ambient air at x degrees which would be more the colder it is.

I dunno as I'm not technical about cars at all

Lee

I know cold air is more dense and will make more power but.... The heat shield will only reduce the temp the air enters the air filter by say 10 - 20'C... That's not going to make a difference as once it gets to the turbo its going to get heated to ~800'C.

Only real way to find out is to log AIT's before and after.

Best way to lower AIT's is a better intercooler (therefore lowering the density of the incoming air INTO the engine).

800'C!!!



Bloody hell dude, your gonna need a bigger intercooler!!!! LOL!

That's on the hot side (ie your air filter and before the intercooler).

 

[chopper-lew]

I know cold air is more dense and will make more power but.... The heat shield will only reduce the temp the air enters the air filter by say 10 - 20'C... That's not going to make a difference as once it gets to the turbo its going to get heated to ~800'C.

Only real way to find out is to log AIT's before and after.

Best way to lower AIT's is a better intercooler (therefore lowering the density of the incoming air INTO the engine).



That's on the hot side (ie your air filter and before the intercooler).

Sorry dude, but thats totally wrong.

You TURBO may get to 800'C (or more) on the exhaust side, but the inducted air going through it is moving so fast, that heat dosent have time to transfer to it.

The actual act of compressing the air by the compressor side of the turbo is what in raising the inlet temps.

A modded turbo car will normally be running anywhere from 60'C - 120'C after the turbo. A decent intercooler can then knock it down to a more reasonable 20-50'C before it enters the engine.

I think your getting confused with the exhaust side of the turbo mate.

At 800'C your alloy intercooler would probably melt!

 

[Marshall]

Also a hestsheild is there to reduce heat soak ie keep the intake air separate to the hot engine bay air

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[robin_nerf]

I have been talking to Forge Motorsport about there Twintake to really get it confirmed that it will fit my car and get as answer :

"Robin, i don’t think it will fit as it was designed for the older up to 2010 model Cupra R. The new one is quite different and we haven’t seen one yet – not even on the road ! The engine may be the same but the air scoops will definitely be different.

Sorry

Chris Lloyd

Research and Development Manager"

 

[Marshall]

I thought they were the same craigd has just had an itg fitted on his R so the pipework must be the same therefore there is no reason why a twintake won't fit.
On the forge site it says cupra with air filter in engine cover.
That's what you have isn't it?

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[robin_nerf]

J thought they were the same craigd has just had an itg fitted on his R so the pipework must be the same therefore there is no reason why a twintake won't fit.
On the forge site it says cupra with air filter in engine cover.
That's what you have isn't it?

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Sorry for my bad understanding/English. But what/who is "J" ?
Sorry but i dont understand : someone had a ITG fitted, so why must the Twintake fit ? (Two different intakes). The Twintake is connected to the front (OEM air intake) and the ITG is not (open filter placed under the hood), maybe that's the different ?
Yes i have the air filter in my engine cover.

 

[Smee]

"J" i will guess is a Typo and should be "I" as in I thought they were the same.

Kev is talking about the engine side of connectivity i.e the pipe work but as you have stated the vent on the front cross member appears to be different so the cold air feed cant be mounted.

lee

 

[Marshall]

I have had itg and now have a twintake.
Looking at the cupra r pictures the air pickup is still fed from the front panel. Pretty sure the facelift changes were cosmetic and not front panel etc.
So the pipework for twintake and itg is the same at the turbo and dv take off.
So aslong as your car has the air filter is in the engine cover the fitment is just the same as normal cupra pre fl and fl

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[Marshall]

"J" i will guess is a Typo and should be "I" as in I thought they were the same.

Kev is talking about the engine side of connectivity i.e the pipe work but as you have stated the vent on the front cross member appears to be different so the cold air feed cant be mounted.

lee

Thanks for clearing the J up for me mate.
I thought the air pick up was the same.
Sorry if I'm talking through my ar*e

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[jon-tfsi]

Your engine and bay will be the same as every other fr/cupra tfsi Robin.

I think the confusion comes from the newer models being branded as tsi rather than tfsi

 

[Smee]

Thanks for clearing the J up for me mate.
I thought the air pick up was the same.
Sorry if I'm talking through my ar*e

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i dunno im just speculating. id be amazed if it was different as that wouldnt be cost affective to change it for just 1 car within the range.

 

[trebormint]

Sorry dude, but thats totally wrong.

You TURBO may get to 800'C (or more) on the exhaust side, but the inducted air going through it is moving so fast, that heat dosent have time to transfer to it.

The actual act of compressing the air by the compressor side of the turbo is what in raising the inlet temps.

A modded turbo car will normally be running anywhere from 60'C - 120'C after the turbo. A decent intercooler can then knock it down to a more reasonable 20-50'C before it enters the engine.

I think your getting confused with the exhaust side of the turbo mate.

At 800'C your alloy intercooler would probably melt!

Seeing as the melting point of aluminum alloy is around 650-680 C.......