Honest, factual* advice please...

[T. Spark]

OK, so here it is... I have a lightly tuned Ibiza FR TDi...

Remap, FMIC, Mufflerectomy, Induction Kit for power increases, with the usual 312mm brakes, spacers, strut braces, Eibach coilovers and so on so forth.

I need more power.

Im going to need a new clutch pretty soon I reckon, but excluding the clutch (act like I have one people!) its already for more go go bits.

Whats my options? Only want to jump up one stage as such, so...

Bigger Turbo
Propane Shot
Nitrous Oxide

Then a new map for any of them. Im swaying towards the turbo as once its on, its on... no filling up etc etc, also could add the others later (as proven by madmikey & co)

 

[DIFT]

Im in the same boat...

Im leaning towards a turbo...

Possibly VT4/VT5 for around 230-240 BHP. But dont forget you may need uprated Injectors and Manifold

 

[T. Spark]

Im aware of the injector problem. I was looking @ the JBS Turbo they have, they say its good for 250bhp. Whilst it would get beddin' in until I got the new injectors as I would limit the power to around 200bhp (only a small increase over what I have now) but keep boost all the way to 5k. So even tho peak bhp has increased 20bhp, the power is alot better.

That was the turbo option anyway! JBS dont reckon the injectors are good for much more std. whilst I havnt a clue on what the manifold can take...

Wont be long till I found out now doubt now.

(Damn this new job!)

 

[timbotdi]

I would be suprised if the JBS turbo doesn't require a new manifold - probably looking at around £250+

Personally I'd wait until you can afford to do new turbo, injectors and a remap all at the same time - you'll save on labour charges, and once you've done one, the other three are inevitable.

T

 

[devonmikeyboy]

Im in the same boat...

Im leaning towards a turbo...

Possibly VT4/VT5 for around 230-240 BHP. But dont forget you may need uprated Injectors and Manifold

Anything bigger then a VT2 turbo requires a new manifold.

Im aware of the injector problem. I was looking @ the JBS Turbo they have, they say its good for 250bhp. Whilst it would get beddin' in until I got the new injectors as I would limit the power to around 200bhp (only a small increase over what I have now) but keep boost all the way to 5k. So even tho peak bhp has increased 20bhp, the power is alot better.

That was the turbo option anyway! JBS dont reckon the injectors are good for much more std. whilst I havnt a clue on what the manifold can take...

Wont be long till I found out now doubt now.

(Damn this new job!)

If you want to get a diesel car tuned why not go to somebody that tunes diesel cars regularly to 220-230bhp on standard injectors and knows what they are doing! Allards,Jabba and Star performance can all do this for you in England and there are lots of companies in Europe that can tune a PD130/160 to 220-230bhp on standard injectors. If you just want 200bhp why not buy a cheap secondhand PD150/160 turbo and get CC phase 2 fitted and save yourself a few thousand pounds.

 

[Sisson]

Im with mike..

Either go for a vt2 turbo and map and you'll see 220+bhp

standard injectors will take around 230 won't they?

 

[Triple D]

Yep, like mike says, go to someone who knows the diesel tuning market , Allards personally, at least you know what your getting with them, they are a good bunch of guys, and know there ****, just look at mikes A3

 

[Fez boy]

Mine was fine on standard injectors running 225bhp

What map do you have on the car now?

 

[DIFT]

What would you get from running a VT4/5? I know it needs a new manifold and injectors, but if I was goign to do this I would want it to be a big increase... to stop me looking for more power at a later date.

 

[T. Spark]

Since posting this I have decided to go the hole hog, with injectors, turbo (I sorta assumed I would need a new manifold!)

As DIFT asked what would a VT4/5 get? As the car (unlike mikes!) would still be FWD I wouldnt want crazy torque low down and spin the wheels much more than they already do.. Can maps be made for to keep the sorta torque I have now (imho just about right for a FWD @ 300lb.ft) but make alot more power top end?

Excuse my stupidness but how have you got urs to run to 6k mike?

Mike, where have you got all your work done?

I'd want a increase to around 250bhp+ and a steady 350lb.ft what would be needed for this? Propane/NOS? Or new turbos etc only?

 

[DIFT]

I think mikes goes to 6k because its a 16v, not sure though, im sur ethe nos and propane help too.

I dont want to really have to mess around with nos or propane, a good old fashioned big turbo is all I want.

Same as T-Spark... I'd want around 240 ish BHP

 

[T. Spark]

I dont want 240bhp

I want 250bhp +

Again, id prefer big turbo with that power rather than NOS/Propane aswell.

If I had to go one, id go propane!

 

[slick]

The only thing is T.Spark the power the turbo the heavier the lag, e.g. takes a while to get the turbo going to get the full 250+bhp out of it...
Well thats my understanding of it... better off sometimes with a smaller turbo/hybrid that spools up quicker and gets going easier than having the biggest turbo just to break the 250+ barrier and only get the turbo really spooling up at 3-3.5k....

I think thats why Mikey had to go Nos and Propane to build the turbo up quicker... Mikey tell me if I'm wrong there, then i'll seat back down and let you teach the rest of the lesson! lol

 

[devonmikeyboy]

Evening people.

Im with mike..

Either go for a vt2 turbo and map and you'll see 220+bhp

standard injectors will take around 230 won't they?

If you go to a good diesel tuning company ( Allard's,Star Performance,Jabba )that knows what they are doing then 220-230bhp is possible with standard injectors. If you go to good 20V turbo tuning company that doesn`t know about tuning diesels then it looks like you get 200bhp with standard injectors and hybrid turbo . Please don`t take what i have said wrong, it is nice to see tuning companies jumping on the diesel tuning band waggon but JBS are just showing total ignorance and lack in diesel tuning knowledge and lack in respect for other tuning companies by saying 220-230 isn`t possible from standard injectors when so many companies in England and the rest of the world do on a regular basis.

What would you get from running a VT4/5? I know it needs a new manifold and injectors, but if I was goign to do this I would want it to be a big increase... to stop me looking for more power at a later date.

Power from VT5 with stanard injectors 220-230bhp. Power with uprated injectors 250-260bhp.

Excuse my stupidness but how have you got urs to run to 6k mike?

Mike, where have you got all your work done?

I'd want a increase to around 250bhp+ and a steady 350lb.ft what would be needed for this? Propane/NOS? Or new turbos etc only?

My car runs to 6K because it is 16V nothing that i have done. Peak power is also held alot better on a 2.0PD. All my work done at Allards. No propane or NOS needed for 250bhp just a VT5 and uprated injectors.

The only thing is T.Spark the power the turbo the heavier the lag, e.g. takes a while to get the turbo going to get the full 250+bhp out of it...
Well thats my understanding of it... better off sometimes with a smaller turbo/hybrid that spools up quicker and gets going easier than having the biggest turbo just to break the 250+ barrier and only get the turbo really spooling up at 3-3.5k....

I think thats why Mikey had to go Nos and Propane to build the turbo up quicker... Mikey tell me if I'm wrong there, then i'll seat back down and let you teach the rest of the lesson! lol

Your right and wrong mate. Bigger the turbo more the lag. A VT2 is good for 220-230bhp but to small really for 250bhp so a VT5 will be need as it will be under alot less stress and can provide the air that is needed. What lag there is on a 8V with a VT5 you will have to ask Allards as i never got around to fitting one on my Cupra. NOS and propane was added to my car for top end power nothing to do with turbo lag as the turbo spools up just as quick without it.

 

[DIFT]

So you think a VT5 would be the one for me?

I want it to be totally reliable, as its essential for my work, with no propane/nos.

240-250 would be what I wanted.

It'd be nice to keep up with the Remapped LCRs

 

[devonmikeyboy]

So you think a VT5 would be the one for me?

I want it to be totally reliable, as its essential for my work, with no propane/nos.

240-250 would be what I wanted.

It'd be nice to keep up with the Remapped LCRs

For 240-250bhp with no propane or NOS then you need a VT5 and uprated injectors but best speak to Allard's as they are the tuning experts.

 

[DIFT]

I will do... I'll look to get it done in the early summer when all the crap with work has subsided

 

[T. Spark]

Cheers Mike for your response, I understand what you mean. I will call Allards in a few days and ask about the VT5 by the looks of things. Price things up, id be happy with 260bhp

For awhile atleast!

 

[DIFT]

Cheers Mike for your response, I understand what you mean. I will call Allards in a few days and ask about the VT5 by the looks of things. Price things up, id be happy with 260bhp

For awhile atleast!

Your always adding 10BHP more than me on!



Im happy with just keeping ahead of the local chavs, and give me a bit more umph on trackdays. Bit more sooot might be nice too

 

[devonutopia]

I'm gunning for big power soon. My car is in Allards end of this month. Hoping that my lpg kit will provide good extra fuelling, and looking into the NOS kit too. For £500 odd you can get a decent fully operational NOS system, and for another £30 you can get the kit to add on which makes NOS shots come out the front of the car.