thanks for the replies, its helpful. i like them both, but must say i am more inclined to go with the boc coz 1stly its alot better on fuel, secondly i like seats 3rdly the insurance is miles cheaper coz they dont seem to like insuring vxr's. also they are more expensive, and when i was speaking to the dealer the other day he said they where like gold dust second hand and he couldnt even find one nationally second hand.lol.so your forced into paying full price with no discounts, for a car thats very similar in spec, and rumored to not corner very well.lol.so boc it is all the way.lol