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Aug 1, 2005
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I think i like the sound of a bigger turbo which is 'undertuned' and not running at its limit. If i went for a bigger turbo i would then have the option of doing the injectors when i retire the car and going for big power without the worry or my daily driver blowing up.

Can I run a larger VT down tuned? I think the VT5 is good for 250bhp? Could i get it mapped to run 210-215 for reliability until i retire the motor? Would the lag be terrible?

Do allard actually do a VT3? i've only ever heard of the VT2 and VT5 - then again, im relatively new to TDis after dcomeing over to the dark side with the VRS...

A VT2 is to small to use with bigger injectors really as it`s safe max bhp is about 230ish. Get a VT5 and run it at 220-230bhp if your reallly worried about turbo life, 210-215 bhp is to low i would have thought for a VT5 but best talk to Allards about that.
Allards turbo range
 

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fabia-lous
Mar 30, 2004
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Allard do all the way from VT1 through to VT7. But they recommend not using the VT6 or 7 for anything other than a racing car basically. I still fancy a VT7 though. :D
 

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Mine runs a Stage 2 Turbo Dynamics and I have had Joe at Chippedire do all the ecu work for me, after some fine fettling I am over the moon, it pulls to the redline with no power let off. The fuelling map in my eyes is set up perfectly, a small amount of smoke on spool up under harsh acceleartion but on 1/4 1/2 throttle there is very of any spool up smoke. Under normal driving conditions on boost between 2-4000 rpm no sign of smoke at all and no dirty bumper. The bonus being a beautiful smooth map, it just feels so much better then I ever could have expected. - To much smoke is a tell tell sign of bad mapping.

Having not driven a TDI 1.9 with a VNT20 based turbo I am not the most qualified to comment, but I did think about going this route but was put off with reading about more lag and lack of useable low down power which for me is what tractor's are all about. Hence look at what BMW / Ford / Jag / Alfa etc are doing with now with twin turbo diesel's; one small for excellent spool up and low down torque with the second larger turbo to hold power higher up the rev range.

Some Turbo Dynamic Specs for you - And remember Turbo dynamics are one of the best turbo builders out there for all types of turbos.

Stage 1 – MD374

Hi flow GT17 compressor wheel, cnc machined compressor housing, 360 degree thrust bearing, cut back turbine blades, lightening of turbine wheel for faster ‘spool up’, modified V.N.T. turbine housing, uprated turbine seals. Other ‘blueprinting’ modifications. APPROX 200 - 220 BHP


Stage 2 – MD376

Hi flow 2275 spec compressor wheel, cnc machined compressor housing, 360 degree thrust bearing, cut back turbine blades, lightening of turbine wheel for faster ‘spool up’, modified V.N.T. turbine housing, uprated turbine seals. Other ‘blueprinting’ modifications. APPROX 240-260 BHP
 
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mr. Hedgehog

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interseting stuff - i will take a drive out to allard over the next few weeks and discuss. I think VT4/5 down tuned may be the answer, as it is reliability i need at the moment, and then when the car is nolonger the daily driver i can get it mapped again and wound up a bit. thanks for the advice chaps.

just out of interest, what figures do the VT 6 and 7 & run?
 

FabiaTDi

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interseting stuff - i will take a drive out to allard over the next few weeks and discuss. I think VT4/5 down tuned may be the answer, as it is reliability i need at the moment, and then when the car is nolonger the daily driver i can get it mapped again and wound up a bit. thanks for the advice chaps.

just out of interest, what figures do the VT 6 and 7 & run?

The VT5 is well worth it in my opinion if you can stretch to the extra cash.
You lose some of the lower end grunt that you will be used to with the standard turbo, but when it gets going, boy does it get going and then you hit 4000rpm and it gets its second wind.
Its in the upper rev range that you really notice the difference.

Its also a very strong turbo, built to sustain approx 2 bar for long periods of time again and again.
Cheers.
 

Ibiza Evo 2

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Jun 1, 2004
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You're all speaking of how much the turbo can cope...but what about the engine itself :confused:
Seems to me what reliability is a serious issue above 230/240hp.
 

devonutopia

fabia-lous
Mar 30, 2004
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You're all speaking of how much the turbo can cope...but what about the engine itself :confused:
Seems to me what reliability is a serious issue above 230/240hp.

I believe the engine is good for a reliable 300bhp. The internals are rock solid. The gearbox is like something off a lorry. I believe the only weak links would be the dual mass flywheel (which I hope to change) and the driveshafts (or the CV joints more to the point) The engine internals seem to be good.

Also, it comes down to good maintenance and a sensible educated driving style too. I suspect someone without the know-how could easily break a standard diesel, compared to someone like me driving a tuned one.
 

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fabia-lous
Mar 30, 2004
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No - indeed - But I'm an eternal optimist. :D There's a pd130 corrado in Eastern Europe somewhere running 290bhp, and I believe there's a seat down in Spain/Portugal running close to that as well.
 
Aug 1, 2005
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Andy Taylor ( Managing Director of AET turbos ) and Grant Parker who does technical at AET turbos run a 1.9 PD at over 300bhp flywheel. The engine is in a stripped out old VW Golf and is used for drag racing and goes very well. He is running diesel,lpg,methanol,Nos.
 

Ibiza Evo 2

220,8hp and 351lbs/ft
Jun 1, 2004
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Well,I know of a lupo from poland with a tdi150 engine and 4-motion with +300bhp but i don't think the engine internals are standard :happy:
 
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Can I ask this
What is regarded as a safe power upgrade using the standard rods and pistons ie what power without too many internal mods/
Glynn
 
Aug 1, 2005
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Grundler Motorsport used to make custom stuff but the team behind the company have now split up.Stingray over in Slovakia is ment to be able to make this sort of stuff.http://www.stingray-rt.sk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=32&Itemid=80
Dyno of the lupo back in early 2006.
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