I wonder who owns this little beauty ;)

[Benjic2]

it's quite cool that your car has been driven by Tiff

Not cool in which the way it was driven...

Anyway, if the golf is heavier, understeers more, and the 4x4 saps the power.. then why was it so much faster than the Leon? I can't imagine the golf makes that much time up in the traction zones as I doubt the C/R was traction limited in those corner exits with standard power. That golf looked a mess in the corners and Tiff said the C/R felt better so where did the time go?... 1 second variation can't all be down to the driver of his quality, around a track that he knows so well, surely?

 

[anarchy1515]

vw probably slipped him some money to make sure golf one either way i'd rather have the seat, it looks sooo much better!!!

 

[greyfloppyhat]

vw probably slipped him some money to make sure golf one either way i'd rather have the seat, it looks sooo much better!!!

 

[invisiblekid]

Having owned a Cupra and a Golf R I know that my Golf is faster than my Leon ever was.

As far as looks, the pre-FL Cupra was a very good looking car, but the Post-Op was spoilt by needless tinkering. The Golf is a very different car in respects to looks.

 

[greyfloppyhat]

Having owned a Cupra and a Golf R I know that my Golf is faster than my Leon ever was.

As far as looks, the pre-FL Cupra was a very good looking car, but the Post-Op was spoilt by needless tinkering. The Golf is a very different car in respects to looks.

Big fan of the fl rear, especially with the LED tail lights. But it has to be the pre fl front for me

 

[Benjic2]

Having owned a Cupra and a Golf R I know that my Golf is faster than my Leon ever was.

As far as looks, the pre-FL Cupra was a very good looking car, but the Post-Op was spoilt by needless tinkering. The Golf is a very different car in respects to looks.

The Cupra R has 25hp and 45nm of torque more than a cupra though. You would think around a flowing track the Cupra R would walk all over a heavier, more understeery, less agile and power draining 4x4 Golf R. DSG is another story though

 

[Smee]

weeG there is a problem with your voice recognition by the looks of it hope you got it sorted

 

[Al]

Having owned a Cupra and a Golf R I know that my Golf is faster than my Leon ever was.

Howdo lad - I am interested to know what you mean by "faster". Bearing in mind your new car has DSG and has four wheel drive so I can imagine it would definitely be faster in;

1) Wet
2) Low speed accelaration
3) Through the gears
4) Coming out of a sharp corner under full power

However from experience having been on a track on the same day as a Golf R DSG with approx 60bhp power than my car (and an interior and luggage that mine never had), the lap times were about the same from what I have been told. Obviously that was on a dry day and ideal conditions.

I am not as blinkered and naive to say that the Leon is more capable, but I would think under certain circumstances, the Leon would be faster.

1) High speed accelaration
2) Top speed
3) Fast cornering

Look at certain classes in rallying to see similar spec cars with 2 wheel drive beating 4 wheel drive cars through some stages as an example.

As you know my next car, I hope, will have four wheel drive, and I would have a DSG Golf over my manual Leon any day but I wouldn't say the Golf was faster than the Leon in every set of circumstances

PS - For what it's worth, my bet is that with those two cars, VAG will have made sure the Golf arrived on that track with more than the claimed bhp (certainly more power than the Leon did) to ensure it beat the Leon to justify its status and the extra coin to buy it. As mentioned above though, the way the Golf behaved on the track with its extra weight and extra drive train losses and with it being dry and the Leon not wheelspinning, and both cars having a manual box, it seems to me something was rigged.

 

[cheungy]

If I ever change my car, defin would be the Golf-R + 7Speed DSG... tis so much more nicer

 

[invisiblekid]

The Cupra R has 25hp and 45nm of torque more than a cupra though. You would think around a flowing track the Cupra R would walk all over a heavier, more understeery, less agile and power draining 4x4 Golf R. DSG is another story though

I should have clarified my point mate, both my cars were tuned to similar levels, running approximately 360bhp. I think my R is running a little more, but hasn't been dyno'd yet. With reference to the vid that WeeG posted - I have no real comparison to make as I ran my G/R standard for a week and have never owned a 265bhp C/R.

In the week I spent in my G/R running stock power it did feel sluggish. It felt fat and slow in all honesty.

 

[invisiblekid]

Howdo lad - I am interested to know what you mean by "faster". Bearing in mind your new car has DSG and has four wheel drive so I can imagine it would definitely be faster in;

1) Wet
2) Low speed accelaration
3) Through the gears
4) Coming out of a sharp corner under full power

However from experience having been on a track on the same day as a Golf R DSG with approx 60bhp power than my car (and an interior and luggage that mine never had), the lap times were about the same from what I have been told. Obviously that was on a dry day and ideal conditions.

I am not as blinkered and naive to say that the Leon is more capable, but I would think under certain circumstances, the Leon would be faster.

1) High speed accelaration
2) Top speed
3) Fast cornering

Look at certain classes in rallying to see similar spec cars with 2 wheel drive beating 4 wheel drive cars through some stages as an example.

As you know my next car, I hope, will have four wheel drive, and I would have a DSG Golf over my manual Leon any day but I wouldn't say the Golf was faster than the Leon in every set of circumstances

PS - For what it's worth, my bet is that with those two cars, VAG will have made sure the Golf arrived on that track with more than the claimed bhp (certainly more power than the Leon did) to ensure it beat the Leon to justify its status and the extra coin to buy it. As mentioned above though, the way the Golf behaved on the track with its extra weight and extra drive train losses and with it being dry and the Leon not wheelspinning, and both cars having a manual box, it seems to me something was rigged.

Evening mate, how's things? Any closer to switch vehicles?

All valid points above without question - especially high speed acceleration in the dry.

I think DSG in my new car is a massive factor in all honesty as you've mentioned. In the cabin it doesn't feel as dramatic or even as quick, but you just know it is - certainly from a standing start. The red lines comes around so quickly. I have seen videos of rolling starts of a Cupra annihilating a Golf R, but in anything other than perfect conditions I think it would be a close race. I definitely don't miss wheels spinning in 4th!

But in my experience of the two (in a Stage 2+ state of tune) my G/R feels quicker. No wheel spin from anything other than an aggressive launch. Exiting corners as you say is rapid, but I also have more confidence throwing my new car in to a corner - maybe it's a bottle/balls thing, but I just didn't have the confidence with the Cupra. I haven't done any suspension mods yet either. WALK, Springs and ARBs go on in the next couple of weeks. I was expecting understeer more with the Cupra, even with R1Rs. I don't rate my Dunlops at all on the Golf - a set of lightweight 18's wrapping in R888s would be truly epic.

The Cupra was more nimble and was probably more fun to drive. I miss my Cupra a lot, but I wouldn't swap cars back. Day-to-day driving, definitely through winter (only had the new car 3 months), the G/R is quicker. I may revise my opinion come summer - although by then I hope to be running WMI and pushing (a real ) 380bhp

 

[WeeG]

Just looking back at this vid. It's amazing how different my car is now

 

[reece1591]

That's pretty cool how you come across the vid lol

 

[WeeG]

This is another link to a vid of my car

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jAD7wLKT5KE