Just a few questions

[Dom1988]

Hi all, as the post say's im only going to ask a few questions about my Cupra Tdi.

Im thinking about getting a hybrid turbo, but haven't got the money at the moment due to the clutch slipping, that could do with replacing 1st obviously.

Don't know much about a hybrid turbo, my last car was an audi s3 and i was looking at it for that too, my questions are, whats the deal with a hybrid turbo?

Do you buy a whole new turbo?

Or can send you own in to make it a hybrid? (think i remember seeing this on the audi forum)

clutches.... Is there only1 performance clutch (sachs) or is there others that i just cannot find?

If so where and what are they called?

If i was to get a hybrid turbo, how much torque does the clutch need to be able to with stand? and is there any that clutches that people know of that does?

Like i said at the start of what looks to be an essay (ha) i don't have much money for the hybrid after a new clutch, so is there any point remapping the turbo i have, then save up for it? Or is that just stupid?

Any help would be much appreciated. Cheers.

Dom

 

[georgebibizafr]

Hi all, as the post say's im only going to ask a few questions about my Cupra Tdi.

Im thinking about getting a hybrid turbo, but haven't got the money at the moment due to the clutch slipping, that could do with replacing 1st obviously.

Don't know much about a hybrid turbo, my last car was an audi s3 and i was looking at it for that too, my questions are, whats the deal with a hybrid turbo?

Do you buy a whole new turbo?

Or can send you own in to make it a hybrid? (think i remember seeing this on the audi forum)

clutches.... Is there only1 performance clutch (sachs) or is there others that i just cannot find?

If so where and what are they called?

If i was to get a hybrid turbo, how much torque does the clutch need to be able to with stand? and is there any that clutches that people know of that does?

Like i said at the start of what looks to be an essay (ha) i don't have much money for the hybrid after a new clutch, so is there any point remapping the turbo i have, then save up for it? Or is that just stupid?

Any help would be much appreciated. Cheers.

Dom

First off all welcome to the seat stable, and SCN. There are a few ways of getting a hybrid tdi. Hybrid basically means a mix of two things, like hybrid cars, electric motors and normal engine. So a hybrid turbo, is a mix of two things. You have a standard pd150 turbo fitted to your car which has I think a 1749 compressor wheel, If you were to get that hybrid, it would be replaced with a bigger one again I think a gt20 compressor wheel. They would also have to bore out your standard housing in order to fit it. So basically they make it bigger, Turbo dynamics hybrids have Hi flow GT20 spec compressor wheel, CNC machined compressor housing, uprated 360 degree thrust
bearing, cut back turbine blades, lightening of turbine wheel for faster response, uprated & blueprinted turbine seals. Turbo dynamics will not hybrid old units anymore due to some reliability issues. However at the moment they have a special offer on, http://www.turbodynamics.co.uk/index.html
I'm getting one for my ibiza fr. Although won't be fitting it untill I've got clucth sorted, and enough money to get mapping done shortly after.
Clutch- There are a few options for the clucth, but depending on what noise you're willing to tolerate this can narrow it down for you. With the stage 2 TD turbo + good remap you'll be getting atleast 350 lbs ft of torque, so your clutch will have to take that. Alot of people have problems with dual mass flywheels, which allow abit of slack between taking up drive, however with alot of torque going through it they break alot. Even on standard cars and vans people go back to a nice simple single mass flywheel because of the problems. I'm not too clued up on the sachs products as I'm not getting one for mine, but alot of people on hear swear by them, and I'm sure they'll be able to better inform you. I'm going for a helix clutch kit, which includes smf, friction disc, cover plate, and release bearing, all for £849.00 inc vat, this will take the mountain of torque after the hybrid treatment, however with the smf the engine will stall easier because of the reduced weight of the flywheel. also the smf makes a noise when the clucth is engaged, some people don't like it and fit a dmf instead. One thing to remember is that there is nothing to go wrong with a smf, where as a dmf will eventually, and probably wear out the friction disc with it.
I have no money either, although i'm buying turbo now, because of the speciall offer on atm. I will then get a clucth, then fit turbo and get remap, however my insurance is due in may so that will slow down the job. Hope this helps. also if your clutch is slipping now, has your car already been remapped? Or have you done a million miles?

 

[Guinness]

To be honest if you are skint then it is going to take some time to get to the hybrid stage.

It is needless to say as the post above outline that you are going to need an uprated clutch to deal with the additional torque placed upon it. Sach or Helix are both good and readily available. For more infor and supply speak to jbs etc.

You will also probably want to consider a miltek or other spec peformance exhaust as well. Engine mounts need looking at as well

As for mapping if you get for example custom code to do a generic map onto your existing turbo they will discount your hybrid map by x amount (not sure what). So you can enjoy a bit more power then relise that you dont want to spend a fortune on a hybrid and stop like 99% of us softcore people

 

[flegz16]

To be honest if you are skint then it is going to take some time to get to the hybrid stage.

It is needless to say as the post above outline that you are going to need an uprated clutch to deal with the additional torque placed upon it. Sach or Helix are both good and readily available. For more infor and supply speak to jbs etc.

You will also probably want to consider a miltek or other spec peformance exhaust as well. Engine mounts need looking at as well

As for mapping if you get for example custom code to do a generic map onto your existing turbo they will discount your hybrid map by x amount (not sure what). So you can enjoy a bit more power then relise that you dont want to spend a fortune on a hybrid and stop like 99% of us softcore people

a see your on route to stage 3, what sort of figures are on looking at getting with the stage 3, what figures are you getting now and what mods have you done?

 

[Guinness]

bit outdated that. Put that on when I had a FMIC, clutch and miltek to go on. In the end the car ended up getting a few things wrong with it and I relised I do to many miles for it to be really viable and bought a new motorbike isntead.

Current figures are 179bhp and 270lb torque. Which isnt bad as it originaly was a PD100 and now has PD130 injectors and turbo

 

[Dom1988]

cheers for the relies. there alot of help

 

[georgebibizafr]

cheers for the relies. there alot of help

So you taking the plunge, and as guniess pointed out, you would also need atleast a decat, and new engine mounts, and gearbox mounts will be needed, but your car the cupra is a better starting point than mine, you have fmic, big brakes , better suspension, bigger turbo, etc as standrd so less things to buy than me! I'm still pretty standard @ 130bhp and I'm just getting the foundations in for hybrid, so I've got fmic, 312mm tt brakes, rear arb, green panel filter etc, it'll be a hell of a jump when hybrid, car still feels pretty quick to me as standard.

 

[Dom1988]

the cars got 78000 miles on it. only bought it a month ago, but haggled the price down a lot due to the clutch slipping. went down 700quid. ha.

dont think its been remapd. he didn't say it had, so im going with no it hasn't. i dont think. ha.

i think, with seeing the prices of a hybrid turbo after VAT, im going to be in that 99% softcore. Mainly because i tend not to keep my cars that long, 4th car in 4years of driving, so seems pointless sending huges amount of money if i end up selling it in a year or two. lol

just need to find out what all these abreviations mean. like smf and dmf?

and things like, whats the difference between helix and sachs?

 

[georgebibizafr]

the cars got 78000 miles on it. only bought it a month ago, but haggled the price down a lot due to the clutch slipping. went down 700quid. ha.

dont think its been remapd. he didn't say it had, so im going with no it hasn't. i dont think. ha.

i think, with seeing the prices of a hybrid turbo after VAT, im going to be in that 99% softcore. Mainly because i tend not to keep my cars that long, 4th car in 4years of driving, so seems pointless sending huges amount of money if i end up selling it in a year or two. lol

just need to find out what all these abreviations mean. like smf and dmf?

and things like, whats the difference between helix and sachs?

Your car already has a better turbo on it than mine, so with a remap you should be getting 180-190 bhp anyway, and a load of torque. SMF=single mass flywheel, DMF=dual mass flywheel. For just a remap i'd get a sachs kit, possibly without a new flywheel depending on what condition your original one is in. I think they're about £450 for just friction disc, and coverplate.

 

[Dom1988]

cheers georgebibizafr you've been a big help.

 

[georgebibizafr]

cheers georgebibizafr you've been a big help.

No problem, this is exactly what the site is for, ive only had my car for about 9 months now, and I've learned alot from the site, well the people on it, I've been on a few other car forum sites for a nosy of what they're like, and Seat cupra.net is by far the best.