Leon mk4 e-hybrid front wheels skidding

[izometric]

Brand new Leon Xcellence Estate 1.4 tsi e-hybrid here (<1200 km, less than 30 days).

Came with 17 inch wheels with Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 5 tires.

There is zero anti-skid control when I accelerate hard from standing still. Wheels spin like crazy before getting a grip and start accelerating.

ESP and Antiskid control is activated. What is wrong with the car? Bad tires or bad computer or what?

Never had this problem with the previous Skoda Octavia 1.6 tdi DSG. It would have a superb antiskid control even on wet surfaces.

 

[Swedemike]

I find tires really bad. My winter tires is better and usually it is the opposit.

 

[rafletcher]

If you’re setting off under electric power, there is a LOT of instant torque available, and you’ll spin the wheels. The F1’s are a good enough tyre, it’s your driving you need to moderate

 

[BigJase88]

Yeah not bad car or bad computer just bad driver.

its a FWD car, science says you cannot just gun it in 1st gear and expect it to grip.

FWD has never been made for traffic light Grand Prix’s. Modulate your right foot. As said goodyear eagles are a good tyre.

maybe something to do with the weight balance of the car.

the 1.6 tdi will probably be nose heavy (more weight over the driven wheels = more traction)

 

[izometric]

Traction control/launch control is the other part of the science controlling the torque applied to the wheels.

So please refrain from offensive epithets like bad drivers. Let's make this a constructive discussion. Thanks.

And I don't need to moderate anything. I paid a hefty amount of money to Volkswagen to do it for me (the moderation part).

 

[Deleted member 123864]

It is a constructive discussion. A heavy right foot - i.e. the bloody driver, nothing else - controls how much torque is applied.

 

[Torque69]

Tyres covered by my company lease provider so will be interesting to see how long fronts last...and if they'll start to question usage.., especially as will have a 3rd party driver monitoring system inc dashcam installed...

Reminds me of the Pirelli tag line 'power is nothing without control', but I wouldn't expect the TC to not control some of the less moderated take offs, regardless.

 

[izometric]

It is a constructive discussion. A heavy right foot - i.e. the bloody driver, nothing else - controls how much torque is applied.

Maybe 20 years ago. Today the computer controls everything.

What do you do when you want to accelerate 0 to 100 in 7.5 seconds? You don't want to waste time fiddling with the accelerator, otherwise you could've stick to a Fiat Albea or something.

 

[Torque69]

Do your front tyres scrabble as much as on this video?
HERE

 

[izometric]

I believe more.

However, I just replaced the tires with winter ones. Uniroyal Winter Expert. There is already a huge difference. Wheels are not spinning as much anymore. I did not have the time and space to test more, I will have the chance this weekend (my wife is driving the car, I am cycling to work daily).

 

[BigJase88]

Maybe 20 years ago. Today the computer controls everything.

What do you do when you want to accelerate 0 to 100 in 7.5 seconds? You don't want to waste time fiddling with the accelerator, otherwise you could've stick to a Fiat Albea or something.

Maybe sell and buy 4WD as i have never owned ANY front wheel drive car where you mash the throttle to the floor in 1st gear and it grips the tarmac without wheelspin

it just doesn’t happen. Even something with low bhp

You can get a 1.0l super mini to break traction on a damp road in 1st with WOT

 

[BigJase88]

I believe more.

However, I just replaced the tires with winter ones. Uniroyal Winter Expert. There is already a huge difference. Wheels are not spinning as much anymore. I did not have the time and space to test more, I will have the chance this weekend (my wife is driving the car, I am cycling to work daily).

We are into Winter, Summer tyres (goodyear eagles) will have less grip this time of year as the rubber compound doesn’t like temperatures below 7 degree’s celcius. This is where your winter tyres take over and that is how you are experiencing better grip on the winter tyres at this time of year.

 

[izometric]

talking about 15+ degrees. Far from winter conditions.

 

[BigJase88]

talking about 15+ degrees. Far from winter conditions.

Why have you installed winter tyres that operate to their full potential at 7 degrees and under then

i stand by my original statement you simply cannot mash the throttle pedal to the floor in 1st gear in any FWD vehicle with any make of front tyres unless it is a bone dry summers day.

even my work van with 75bhp i can spin up the front wheels leaving a junction

 

[Swedemike]

Of course you should be able to do that in an modern car!
combination of poor traction control and inferior tires.
I can floor my second car with 450hp, no issues at all, good tires and good traction control.

 

[BigJase88]

Of course you should be able to do that in an modern car!
combination of poor traction control and inferior tires.
I can floor my second car with 450hp, no issues at all, good tires and good traction control.

450bhp through the front wheels? With no wheel spin

i don’t think so

 

[martin j.]

Traction control is not the same thing as launch control which is what you are expecting from it, why do you feel you need to launching like a race car?

 

[izometric]

Why would anyone feel OK with the wheels spinning and not launching at the limit of the traction? If there is a traction control on the car I expect it to function. On other cars it works perfectly. On the Leon not so much apparently. The most worrisome thing is that there are people contempt with not getting what they paid for and advise that you behave like 20 years ago by not pressing too hard on the accelerator.

Launch control, additionally to preventing wheels from skidding, it distributes the power so that the car will not slip sideways from too much traction.

On a normal car, front wheel traction, traction control is very much the same as launch control.

 

[martin j.]

We shall agree to differ on this, I have driven cars with both systems fitted.

 

[izometric]

We shall agree that the truth is out there.

I want my wheels not to skid and simply spin at the limit of the traction, regardless of the position of accelerator. Not so hard, really.