Manual transmission conversion to DSG

[cupra300uk]

Is this possible at all? Not planning on doing it (although I would much rather a DSG) just wondering if it was possible. Apologies if it’s a stupid question!


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[LouG]

Not stupid, just expensive. Sell the manual, buy a DSG. At least you'll retain your sanity.

 

[Legojon]

If it came as an option they'll be parts and software to make it work. But as above would be expensive. Would require a specialist garage. And if not done right, might be leaving you with an undriveable car.

I looked it up for my MK2. Cause I'm sick of being stuck in traffic with a stiff uprated clutch. There's a guy that's had a dsg fitted. Mechanically it's sound. But it's throwing errors and effectively locked the gearbox till they are fixed. Enough to put me off.

 

[cupra300uk]

Not stupid, just expensive. Sell the manual, buy a DSG. At least you'll retain your sanity.

Wouldn’t it be far more expensive to do that though? I am wanting more power but know I have to get a performance clutch but are they prone to slipping at a certain point just like the stock clutch is?


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[cupra300uk]

If it came as an option they'll be parts and software to make it work. But as above would be expensive. Would require a specialist garage. And if not done right, might be leaving you with an undriveable car.

I looked it up for my MK2. Cause I'm sick of being stuck in traffic with a stiff uprated clutch. There's a guy that's had a dsg fitted. Mechanically it's sound. But it's throwing errors and effectively locked the gearbox till they are fixed. Enough to put me off.

Yeah I can imagine it would need to be done perfectly otherwise a lot of issues like you say


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[cupra300uk]

I suppose at the end of my PCP agreement I’ll buy the car and sell it privately and just buy a DSG haha!


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[Legojon]

Wouldn’t it be far more expensive to do that though? I am wanting more power but know I have to get a performance clutch but are they prone to slipping at a certain point just like the stock clutch is?

Yeah, a bit of a simplification is you can get Stage 1, Stage 2, Stage 3 clutches (as some companies advertise them). But basically you pick an amount of torque you reckon you'll go up to eventually and buy the equivalent nm rated clutch to handle it.

As an example, my stock clutch slipped at the top end of the torque band at Stage 2+. But if I put 95% of the power down, it held just fine. When it was eventually removed for the proper rated clutch, they said the old one looked brand new. Clutch wear depends a lot on how you use it. If you race off every set of lights, hold it on hills, etc, it'll wear regardless. But in reality, you only use the top end clamping force of the clutch 2-3% of the time (hopefully LOL).

 

[motty225]

If it's on pcp I can't imagine seat would be to happy about the swap over haha, as said it could be done but for the work involved it would be easier and cheaper to just sell up and buy a dsg

 

[Damo H]

It’s be doable but silly expensive as you’ll need a different ECU.

I remember this being done on a MINI, and they had loads of issues, until they finally realised the car needed the right ECU. Ended up costing even more as the only ECU with the automatic gearbox had automatic air con, so ended up changing all that too.

 

[cupra300uk]

Yeah, a bit of a simplification is you can get Stage 1, Stage 2, Stage 3 clutches (as some companies advertise them). But basically you pick an amount of torque you reckon you'll go up to eventually and buy the equivalent nm rated clutch to handle it.

As an example, my stock clutch slipped at the top end of the torque band at Stage 2+. But if I put 95% of the power down, it held just fine. When it was eventually removed for the proper rated clutch, they said the old one looked brand new. Clutch wear depends a lot on how you use it. If you race off every set of lights, hold it on hills, etc, it'll wear regardless. But in reality, you only use the top end clamping force of the clutch 2-3% of the time (hopefully LOL).

Ahh I see, don’t think I’d ever go past stage 1 tbh even if I had a DSG! Maybe one day though


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[cupra300uk]

If it's on pcp I can't imagine seat would be to happy about the swap over haha, as said it could be done but for the work involved it would be easier and cheaper to just sell up and buy a dsg

Yeah exactly not my car at the end of the day haha, will definitely be an automatic next time


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[cupra300uk]

Thanks for the replies, just generally curious to see if it was possible at all I guess DSG is the future now anyway as they’ve removed manuals from the Cupra anyway


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[AndrewJB]

problem is with "conversions" they never seem to work 100% right.

I've seen MK1 Golf and MK2 Golf fitted with DSG so anything is possible.

 

[LouG]

I've just seen a vid on a sequential dog box conversion, that'll solve your power issues but you may not like dog clutch replacement every 5000km's.

 

[CupraGeezer]

problem is with "conversions" they never seem to work 100% right.

I've seen MK1 Golf and MK2 Golf fitted with DSG so anything is possible.

Once you consider the number of sensors and amount of software on modern cars, this sounds like a certain nightmare to me. Far easier just to change cars, as @LouG says.

 

[AndrewJB]

Once you consider the number of sensors and amount of software on modern cars, this sounds like a certain nightmare to me. Far easier just to change cars, as @LouG says.

Yep. Hence why they work better in older cars where you just delete the sensors they dont need.