Power steering flush - How to

everson38

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Hey guys

Does anyone know for a mk5 Seat ibiza 1.4 Sc how to

1) Flush the old power steering fluid

2) Knows what the OEM brand of fluid this vehicle takes - doesn't say anything in manual.

Thanks.

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dm222

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G004000M2

just use something that can suck the old fluid, and put new one.

the manual doesnt say anything because its not necessary to replace it
 

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My old 1999 Cordoba 1.9tdi Vario (estate) suffered severe corrosion to the metal parts of the pipes so I had to change them. There is no dedicated drain point so you just have to undo pipes to let the fluid out. If you use a syringe (or some similar device) to suck fluid out of the reservoir there will still be a lot of oil in the pipes and rack itself. There's quite a lot of oil to drain out so you need something like an old 5 litre engine oil tin with the side cut out to catch it in. Then when it stops flowing by gravity if you turn the steering lock to lock (DO NOT RUN THE ENGINE - you'll do the pump no good at all!) The ram in the rack will pump out more for you. When you think you've got as much out as you can connect up the pipe/pipes you slackened (watch out for seals on the unions) and refill the reservoir with new fluid. All this is best done with the front end up on stands - you'll need the front wheels off the ground to wind the steering to and fro anyway - So now you've got everything tightened up and the reservoir refilled so turn the steering lock to lock a few times (ENGINE STILL NOT RUNNING) The ram in the rack will pump fluid round the system and expel air to the reservoir so you will see the level drop. Keep doing this, topping up as necessary, 'till the level doesn't drop any more. Now there should be enough oil throughout the system for you to start the engine (which will drive the pump) without the pump wrecking itself. Still with the front end up in the air (wheels not on the ground) and engine idling, turn the steering gently lock to lock a top up the reservoir as necessary. When all the air (or most of it anyway) has been chased out the level will stop dropping. You will likely find that the level may drop slightly for a few days as the last of the air finds it's way out (then again it may not if there is no trapped air). Don't do this initial bleeding procedure with the wheels on the ground trapped air can introduce shock waves which can do damage to seals etc. (a bit like hydraulic hammer in your house plumbing).

The manufacturers mostly don't specify power steering fluid change intervals but I've found that when you are carrying out repairs on older cars where you have to break into the steering hydraulics the fluid is often pretty foul. My Cordoba was no exception, the fluid looked dark and dirty. I also noticed that the steering definitely felt lighter with the new fluid in. (she had about 100,000 miles on her when I did this) It's logical to me that a change will be beneficial as most steering pumps are vane type so suffer wear to the vanes and seals etc degrade so there is bound to be contamination as it gets older. On my own cars I like to change supposed "for life" fluids, like gearbox oil and power steering fluid, at around 50 to 60 thousand miles (I would align it with the nearest service interval).

Regarding the fluids themselves. Stuff like gearbox oil, power steering fluid and the like are not a regular service item - you're not doing them every year/12,000 miles You may save a few bob buying a generic brand but these fluids are getting very vehicle specific and you use the "wrong stuff" at your peril so I like to buy the actual manufacturer specified item. Often available on line at reasonable prices (but it is unlikely to be "cheap"). Engine oil is perhaps an exception but I would only buy an oil which met the manufacturers recommended specification ie VW 502.00. VW 504.00. VW 505.01. or whatever. Look in your manual it'll tell you. This is even more important than ever with the latest engines and especially the small capacity turboed petrols (like my Ibiza 1.0 CHZB engine) which really stress their oils.

A final word - which maybe you know already, so apologies if I'm telling you "how to suck eggs". When maneuvering with large amounts of lock being wound on, for instance parking in tight spaces, DO NOT HOLD THE STEERING HARD AGAINST THE STOP ON FULL LOCK. If you do this the pump will be trying to force the rack against it's stop and you will eventually blow the seals in the rack. If you find yourself hard over on full lock just relieve the pressure on the wheel, let it come back by even as little as a half inch, and the pressure will be off the seals. In fact try, briefly, holding the steering hard over on full lock - either way, it doesn't matter - and you will hear the pump working extra hard as the pressure relief valve blows off. If you want to explore generic fluids there are a number of websites where you can put you reg no in and see what they recommend - Opie oils is a good one for choice and all the majors like Castrol etc do it too. A good slightly cheaper brand is Comma but the list is almost endless - another reason why I like the manufacturers recommended product (but not at dealer prices)

I hope you find some of this useful - I'm afraid I'm a bit of a "haver" so sorry for the length of the post. If you've never done the sort of things I'm talking about above I'd make sure you have a knowledgeable friend to help you the first time. A leak makes an awful mess and, of course, can wreck the whole power steering system if a lot of oil escapes or you don't properly bleed it and so run the pump dry. Of course it's all gone electric now but I liked the hydraulic system on my Cordoba better. You could feel what was going on under the wheels much better when things got slippy or you maybe went into a corner rather too fast.

PS. Avoiding holding full lock on is also advisable with electric steering. Won't go into it all here. Just let that wheel return a "smidgeon" and take the load off.
 
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Its not fully electric. Its electro hidraulic, works the same way as hidraulic but the pump is electrical instead of being powered by belt.

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Fair enough, but @Crossthreaded was only adding in that advice for later versions of that car that did come with electric racks.
Thanks RUM4MO. I'm afraid, from time to time, I get a bit "evangelical" about holding the steering on full lock. We live in quite high density housing and parking spaces are often at a premium exacerbated by the thoughtless parking of some. Our living room window looks out on a small layby on the other side of the road which is a prized parking place and It's excruciatingly amusing to watch people hanging really hard on to full lock as they try to park in a space that's really too small for the car. The thinking would seem to be that if they lean on the wheel hard enough they are going to squeeze that last little bit extra into the space! It's also astonishing, and a little frightening, to see how many people can't reverse park. There's one elderly gentleman who seems to only be able to go in nose first. He mounts the pavement (and they're high kerbs here) with his front wheel and then drops it back into the gutter to straighten out. I don't think his car has a panel on it that isn't damaged! Luckily I've got a run in at the front of my house so I don't have to worry about him parking near me.
 
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everson38

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My old 1999 Cordoba 1.9tdi Vario (estate) suffered severe corrosion to the metal parts of the pipes so I had to change them. There is no dedicated drain point so you just have to undo pipes to let the fluid out. If you use a syringe (or some similar device) to suck fluid out of the reservoir there will still be a lot of oil in the pipes and rack itself. There's quite a lot of oil to drain out so you need something like an old 5 litre engine oil tin with the side cut out to catch it in. Then when it stops flowing by gravity if you turn the steering lock to lock (DO NOT RUN THE ENGINE - you'll do the pump no good at all!) The ram in the rack will pump out more for you. When you think you've got as much out as you can connect up the pipe/pipes you slackened (watch out for seals on the unions) and refill the reservoir with new fluid. All this is best done with the front end up on stands - you'll need the front wheels off the ground to wind the steering to and fro anyway - So now you've got everything tightened up and the reservoir refilled so turn the steering lock to lock a few times (ENGINE STILL NOT RUNNING) The ram in the rack will pump fluid round the system and expel air to the reservoir so you will see the level drop. Keep doing this, topping up as necessary, 'till the level doesn't drop any more. Now there should be enough oil throughout the system for you to start the engine (which will drive the pump) without the pump wrecking itself. Still with the front end up in the air (wheels not on the ground) and engine idling, turn the steering gently lock to lock a top up the reservoir as necessary. When all the air (or most of it anyway) has been chased out the level will stop dropping. You will likely find that the level may drop slightly for a few days as the last of the air finds it's way out (then again it may not if there is no trapped air). Don't do this initial bleeding procedure with the wheels on the ground trapped air can introduce shock waves which can do damage to seals etc. (a bit like hydraulic hammer in your house plumbing).

The manufacturers mostly don't specify power steering fluid change intervals but I've found that when you are carrying out repairs on older cars where you have to break into the steering hydraulics the fluid is often pretty foul. My Cordoba was no exception, the fluid looked dark and dirty. I also noticed that the steering definitely felt lighter with the new fluid in. (she had about 100,000 miles on her when I did this) It's logical to me that a change will be beneficial as most steering pumps are vane type so suffer wear to the vanes and seals etc degrade so there is bound to be contamination as it gets older. On my own cars I like to change supposed "for life" fluids, like gearbox oil and power steering fluid, at around 50 to 60 thousand miles (I would align it with the nearest service interval).

Regarding the fluids themselves. Stuff like gearbox oil, power steering fluid and the like are not a regular service item - you're not doing them every year/12,000 miles You may save a few bob buying a generic brand but these fluids are getting very vehicle specific and you use the "wrong stuff" at your peril so I like to buy the actual manufacturer specified item. Often available on line at reasonable prices (but it is unlikely to be "cheap"). Engine oil is perhaps an exception but I would only buy an oil which met the manufacturers recommended specification ie VW 502.00. VW 504.00. VW 505.01. or whatever. Look in your manual it'll tell you. This is even more important than ever with the latest engines and especially the small capacity turboed petrols (like my Ibiza 1.0 CHZB engine) which really stress their oils.

A final word - which maybe you know already, so apologies if I'm telling you "how to suck eggs". When maneuvering with large amounts of lock being wound on, for instance parking in tight spaces, DO NOT HOLD THE STEERING HARD AGAINST THE STOP ON FULL LOCK. If you do this the pump will be trying to force the rack against it's stop and you will eventually blow the seals in the rack. If you find yourself hard over on full lock just relieve the pressure on the wheel, let it come back by even as little as a half inch, and the pressure will be off the seals. In fact try, briefly, holding the steering hard over on full lock - either way, it doesn't matter - and you will hear the pump working extra hard as the pressure relief valve blows off. If you want to explore generic fluids there are a number of websites where you can put you reg no in and see what they recommend - Opie oils is a good one for choice and all the majors like Castrol etc do it too. A good slightly cheaper brand is Comma but the list is almost endless - another reason why I like the manufacturers recommended product (but not at dealer prices)

I hope you find some of this useful - I'm afraid I'm a bit of a "haver" so sorry for the length of the post. If you've never done the sort of things I'm talking about above I'd make sure you have a knowledgeable friend to help you the first time. A leak makes an awful mess and, of course, can wreck the whole power steering system if a lot of oil escapes or you don't properly bleed it and so run the pump dry. Of course it's all gone electric now but I liked the hydraulic system on my Cordoba better. You could feel what was going on under the wheels much better when things got slippy or you maybe went into a corner rather too fast.

PS. Avoiding holding full lock on is also advisable with electric steering. Won't go into it all here. Just let that wheel return a "smidgeon" and take the load off.
Hey Cross. No I appreciate the detail I would rage someone think I'm a novice and tell me things and I deduce what I need plus someone else may come across this and want in depth.

Can I ask

1) Could you replace the fluid by doing it via sucking out the old with a turkey baster and then filling with new. Then repeating the process a few time to get all old out?

2) when you say not o turn on engine as not to run the pump dry. I assume you mean I can turn key to the electrics come on t allow for easy power steering movement.

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dm222

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When you remove the fluid put new fluid before starting the engine or turning the steering.

Otherwise air will get into the system.

You will never fully replace all fluid, just a part of it, and thats ok.

What you can do if you wanna replace more is buy two litters and do this multiple times...

Not sure why you wanna replace it though.

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everson38

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When you remove the fluid put new fluid before starting the engine or turning the steering.

Otherwise air will get into the system.

You will never fully replace all fluid, just a part of it, and thats ok.

What you can do if you wanna replace more is buy two litters and do this multiple times...

Not sure why you wanna replace it though.

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Thanks for this appreciate it. I want to replace it as level is a little longer so need to top up anyway. And I'm not a believer in this lifetime oils. Think it's a load of BS so preventive maintenance is what I will always say.

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everson38

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Can anyone jut confirm if the VW G004000M2 is the only OEM power steering fluid needed for a 2009 seat ibiza 1.4 SC. I'm not sure if in Hythe last 10 years they have had a change in the formulation or anything . As want to order some today

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Its the obvious and possibly the safest option and the one most people would opt to buy, I know as well as you do that VW Group do not manufacture most/all of these fluids, so buying their recommended hydraulic fluid works for me, and yes that number will still be valid.
 

everson38

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Can anyone confirm. Via the mean I play to flush the fluid. How many litres of fluid you recommend to get it to a 70% of new fluid in. I know I'll never get 100 percent due to this mixing and removing technique.

Thanks

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dm222

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Can anyone confirm. Via the mean I play to flush the fluid. How many litres of fluid you recommend to get it to a 70% of new fluid in. I know I'll never get 100 percent due to this mixing and removing technique.

Thanks

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The whole system is about 800ml

The reservoir is somewhere around 500 to 600ml

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everson38

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The whole system is about 800ml

The reservoir is somewhere around 500 to 600ml

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OK Thank you. So 800ml is including reservoir and rest if system?

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