Rear brakes?

[Big-Pete]

ok,

i have a mk4 04 cupra TDi,(see link below)

and i want to know what rear brake calipers i have, girling/trw/lucas!? its confusing the fudge out of me.

i know the disc size its just the pads i need help with.

chers

 

[R3k1355]

You might have to look at the calipers, the make should be stamped on them?

 

[Big-Pete]

You might have to look at the calipers, the make should be stamped on them?

cheers bud, ill go have a look tomorrow. half tempted to throw a full LCR conversion on it, that way i could just buy 2 of everything(discs/pads) and i have both cars covered

 

[mgrays]

All Mk4 with rear disks are the same (so Cupra brake balance is poor and you need to grind 1/3 the pad out horizontally to stop them seizing!). Look like a Girling to me (as an ex Girling brake engineer) or a licensed copy.

Search somewhere like here;

https://brakeparts.co.uk/#!/shop/SEAT/IBIZA/04-08/IBIZA 1.9 TDI CUPRA/Rear - Brake Pads and Shoes

Rear disc BDS5643 = 232x9mm
Rear pads BPS1485 = 87x52.9x17

The Cupra's are factory painted red so will have a different part number but they are the same thing as FR etc.

 

[Big-Pete]

All Mk4 with rear disks are the same (so Cupra brake balance is poor and you need to grind 1/3 the pad out horizontally to stop them seizing!). Look like a Girling to me (as an ex Girling brake engineer) or a licensed copy.

Search somewhere like here;

https://brakeparts.co.uk/#!/shop/SEAT/IBIZA/04-08/IBIZA 1.9 TDI CUPRA/Rear - Brake Pads and Shoes

Rear disc BDS5643 = 232x9mm
Rear pads BPS1485 = 87x52.9x17

The Cupra's are factory painted red so will have a different part number but they are the same thing as FR etc.

cheers bud. ill still check tomorow, and post some pics up.
(mine are pink from wear and tear )

 

[R3k1355]

If all the Mk4 rear disc system are the same then it's probably Lucas.
I did the rear brakes on my sport last year and that was a Lucas system.

 

[RUM4MO]

Well it goes like this, these callipers with built in handbrake mechs were designed by Girling, Lucas bought that part of the business over and then some time later Lucas was shredded up and TRW bought over the brake side of the business.

So, yes they are Girling/Lucas/TRW and I'd doubt if there is any maker's markings on them.

Edit:- oh, and if anyone talks to you about ATE or Teves systems, they are both the same thing, ATE = Alfred Teves, just another useless fact?

 

[Big-Pete]

Well it goes like this, these callipers with built in handbrake mechs were designed by Girling, Lucas bought that part of the business over and then some time later Lucas was shredded up and TRW bought over the brake side of the business.

So, yes they are Girling/Lucas/TRW and I'd doubt if there is any maker's markings on them.

Edit:- oh, and if anyone talks to you about ATE or Teves systems, they are both the same thing, ATE = Alfred Teves, just another useless fact?

 

[RUM4MO]

I think that what lead me to finding all that out was being in the same situation as you and I decided to work on it until I got to the bottom of things, because, for instance ECP, I think, were selling TRW replacement rear callipers, so I wanted to know if they were copies - or what! That ended up with me finding out that TRW are now the legal owners of that design through their acquisition of parts of old Lucas.

 

[mgrays]

Well .. 24 years ago I had worked for Lucas Girling for nearly 3 years .. who yes became TRW.. just swapped out of their pension fund last year. Teves were competitors at the time. The "fist" design of the rear calipers was Girling patented and licensed to many companies including Japanese companies so when Honda and started up in the UK, we (Lucas Girling) had to test and verify the designs we had licensed to Japan! My bit was about 5 ft high of A4 paper; you could see how Japan was quality focused compared to Euro companies. So yes a common design. At that time the some brakes were made in Pamplona, Spain so maybe where these come from. I was a supervisor on the caliper production line during one spell building these type of calipers for Rovers, Honda and Nissans. As there are few part numbers on them it is hard to tell but for the last couple of years I have had this in my ebay watch list which says they are 38mm Lucas Girling;

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281158083734?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

 

[RUM4MO]

Right, my come back to that is:-

I still have the remains of a large tube of Girling Red Brake (rubber) grease, pity I only rediscovered it after buying a large tub of red rubber grease from ebay!

I also still have a small tube of blue mechanical brake grease which is also probably Girling!

Useless extra comment, back in 1978 I bought a secondhand Ford Escort 1.6 Ghia, it had a slightly leaking (Girling) brake master cylinder - not a problem for me, so I bought it with money off and trotted along to my Ford dealer for a master cylinder service kit - not very easy, as Ford did not know which version of cylinder Girling was supplying to the assembly line. So, needing to get an MOT, I discovered that I had some "used" Girling rubbers from my old 1972 Ford Escort Van - which stopped that leak until a Girling parts place could use the data that I supplied from the nylon tag on cylinder and get me a kit- oh joy!