Thinking of lowering LCR - got a quick question or 2!

[dvdt]

Looking in to lowering my Mk1 LCR.

Plan is to use the standard shocks / struts (providing they are in good condition) and a set of lowering springs. A 20mm drop is all I am after.

Questions -

Will the standard shocks/struts be ok to use? I appreciate there will be less travel and
more bounce in them.

Are there any springs to avoid?

Will the drop links need changed to the adjustable ones I have read about?

Will there be any camber issues? Dont want to scrub off the inside tread on the tyre within a few months!

Cheers
David.

 

[Gubien]

Looking in to lowering my Mk1 LCR.

Plan is to use the standard shocks / struts (providing they are in good condition) and a set of lowering springs. A 20mm drop is all I am after.

Questions -

Will the standard shocks/struts be ok to use? I appreciate there will be less travel and
more bounce in them.

Are there any springs to avoid?

Will the drop links need changed to the adjustable ones I have read about?

Will there be any camber issues? Dont want to scrub off the inside tread on the tyre within a few months!

Cheers
David.

H&R lowering springs will do just fine, no need to change droplinks and no scrubbing, apart from the front splitter hitting steep bumbs etc. But thats normal on a lowered LCR.

 

[DamianPM]

As above, the H&R lowering springs will be your best option - http://www.dpmperformance.co.uk/hr-...springsbr-leon-1m-cupra-r-18t-1199-p-659.html

Damian @ DPM Performance

 

[mk4 cupra]

I lowerd my standerd Cupra mk4 tdi with weltic springs only with 30mm drop and shockers are fine drop links are fine 30mm is a perfectly safe drop to behonest

 

[Muttley]

Ibiza cupra TDI and LCR are completely different cars.

 

[Murdered LCR]

Just remember the Lcr is 20mm lower to start with so they probably won't make a difference

 

[cupra_r_ick]

unless the springs are designed for an lcr, in which cae they will drop 20

 

[mk4 cupra]

Ibiza cupra TDI and LCR are completely different cars.

Yes I know but all serspension systems are the same and principles are also the same so bounderys and limits should be ok for thy car Lol

 

[Ronin225]

Yes I know but all serspension systems are the same and principles are also the same so bounderys and limits should be ok for thy car Lol

I'd listen to Muttley as he knows his stuff
Likening suspension means any car with macpherson struts on the front would be the same, no.
Boundaries and limits are dictated by the parts and the geometry
Lower a cupra 40mm and driveshaft ARB fouling happens, on a LCR it doesnt so theory falls down

 

[mk4 cupra]

But I did not say 40mm I said 30mm am not trying to arguee but I have been working on cars for Meny years now and have seen a lot of systems ranging from Audi r8s and skylines to fiat pandas and all systems work the same way and each system has very very Simalur bounderys 30mm on very car I have ever seen had been fine with just springs anything after that I would say no becasus 30mm is at the limit of a cars standerd bounderys

 

[Ronin225]

Just to point out though a 40mm drop on a cupra is only a 20mm drop on a LCR
There will be no problems running them anyway

 

[mk4 cupra]

I guessed that when some one above said its 20mm lower than the standerd Cupra lol

 

[Muttley]

mk4 cupra wrote

Yes I know but all serspension systems are the same and principles are also the same so bounderys and limits should be ok for thy car Lol



Well, the LCR is based on the Golf Mk.4 platform, but has a heavily modified front end set up, from an Audi S3 I think.

Ibiza cupra (MK.4 from your username) is based on the PQ24 platform, used for the Polo Mk.4 amongst others.

Yes, they all have a wheel at each corner, springs to bounce on and dampers to control the bounce, other than that the optimum ride heights are going to be different, suspension travel will be different, suspension geometry - you get the picture, I hope.

The fact that you can lower your Ibiza Mk.4 Cupra TDI by 30mm on standard shocks and be happy with it really tells the LCR owner nothing, other than expressing solidarity with the lower=better idea.

I would not lower an LCR at all, being unconcerned with looks and reckoning that the suspension has been sorted at the factory to be optimal for an exotic sports hatchback. I might consider changing springs and dampers, once the original kit had worn out, but I'd look for better usability in the real world, coping with occasional potholes and bad road surface, while keeping the handling, i.e. the ability to keep all four wheels in adhesive contact with the road surface, as good as possible.

Finally, it is completely out to lunch to think that all suspension systems are the same, never mind the boundaries. Consider a Ford Focus, for example, with its multilink rear suspension, completely different to the beam axle of the Ibiza and Leon. Or the Audi S4, only slightly upmarket, with its multilink front suspension, again very different from the McPherson strut on Ibizas and Leons. As for boundaries, consider that the LCR is already 2cm lower than all the other Leons. Drop it a further 30mm and you have very little suspension travel left before your sump hits the road, requiring stiffer springs and new dampers.

 

[mk4 cupra]

Ok fair point u know what ur on about I ain't hear to arguee about things I have said my peice lol I know the two cars platforms are quite diffrent but in the real world there not at all.

All cars system that has been fitted as standerd is set to regulations ie hight of the road plus bounce travel and ride quilty but is also made with a buget to get those regulations

I agree with what u said in every way not having a Cupra r Leon sat beside me I ain't able to qoute propley but just qoute as a rule I have found to be ok but that rule can always be broken lol

 

[DamianPM]

Just remember the Lcr is 20mm lower to start with so they probably won't make a difference

The H&R springs are designed specifically for the Cupra R so you'd get the full drop.

Damian @ DPM Performance

 

[Ryan Brown]

I have a LC will the LCR standard springs lower my LC by 20mm then?

 

[dvdt]

Cheers guys.

Will get the LCR 20mm drop springs ordered next week once I am paid!

Just want the car to have a slightly more aggressive stance and hopefully handle a bit better.

Just need front pads & discs, rear tyres & a NSF shock now!

 

[traumapat]

I have a LC will the LCR standard springs lower my LC by 20mm then?

From what ive been told (a while back) the drop quotes are against the standard leon.
I was told the cupra as standard is 10mm lower than a leon and the LCR is 15mm lower than the standard leon.

So if the above is correct the drop would only be 5mm

 

[J 19 DLY]

awrite mate what colours your cupra i am also from larkhall i have the red leon 180 with 18s on

 

[Gubien]

From what ive been told (a while back) the drop quotes are against the standard leon.
I was told the cupra as standard is 10mm lower than a leon and the LCR is 15mm lower than the standard leon.

So if the above is correct the drop would only be 5mm

Well, the LCR are -15mm from factory, so the H&R would only be -5 mm more, which mine definitely wasnt. They were -20mm ish!