FR vs. Sport Discussion.
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When the FR arrives I'd like to know what the actual differences are, as listed in ETKA parts catalogue (apart from the cosmetic) It's becoming apparent that the Sport was a testbed for the FR, but what will the changes be in say the brake & suspension parts, or exhaust/ engine components.
Once it's released on ETKA we'll be able to see what the shared part numbers are.
Once it's released on ETKA we'll be able to see what the shared part numbers are.
I'd love to know what this "Seat Sound" thing is, as I read exactly the same thing. Apparently the LC and LCR have it as well. Do they mean they've designed the exhaust to make a specific sound? Or that all sporty SEATs sound the same? Or what?
Hi Carl, Dan
Havent noticed the boom with mine, but i'll have a better listen on the way home tonight. Dan are you pleased with your Miltek? Always liked the look of Ansa systems myself. I have the same wheels as you infact my car is your double slightly off thread but do get a lot of understeer?
Rob
Havent noticed the boom with mine, but i'll have a better listen on the way home tonight. Dan are you pleased with your Miltek? Always liked the look of Ansa systems myself. I have the same wheels as you infact my car is your double slightly off thread but do get a lot of understeer?
Rob
Hi Rob,
I have the Milltek Cat-back exhaust. Also lowerd on Eibach springs, so mines very much unique
You cans see how muvh better the exhuast looks in this picture: http://www.gtc.org.uk/pics/bbt.jpg
Ps. I have the "non polished" 18's
I have the Milltek Cat-back exhaust. Also lowerd on Eibach springs, so mines very much unique
You cans see how muvh better the exhuast looks in this picture: http://www.gtc.org.uk/pics/bbt.jpg
Ps. I have the "non polished" 18's
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The "Seat Sound" is nothing new... they wrote exactly the same about the TFSI when it was launched!
From http://car.kak.net/Article4770.html
(You can find this text alot of other places too)
"The sportiness of the new León cannot just be felt, it can be heard too. The engine sound is an identifying feature of a model's sporty character. In the case of the new León, the exhaust sound has been entrusted to SEAT Sound, a system that blends a balanced sound at high engine speeds with a sonorous, sporty sound at low revs. The resulting acoustic sensation can be experienced both inside and outside the car. The perception of the sporty sound and engine power has been accentuated when: pulling away from standstill, manoeuvring at low speeds and accelerating or braking when fully laden at low rev speeds.
The level of exhaust sound amplification gradually reduces until it ceases altogether above 2,500 rpm, ensuring that it remains imperceptible to the vehicle's occupants at higher rev speeds and does not become an irritation on long journeys so that travel comfort is not impaired in any way."
Brakes are the same... 312mm in front, and 286mm back!
From http://car.kak.net/Article4770.html
(You can find this text alot of other places too)
"The sportiness of the new León cannot just be felt, it can be heard too. The engine sound is an identifying feature of a model's sporty character. In the case of the new León, the exhaust sound has been entrusted to SEAT Sound, a system that blends a balanced sound at high engine speeds with a sonorous, sporty sound at low revs. The resulting acoustic sensation can be experienced both inside and outside the car. The perception of the sporty sound and engine power has been accentuated when: pulling away from standstill, manoeuvring at low speeds and accelerating or braking when fully laden at low rev speeds.
The level of exhaust sound amplification gradually reduces until it ceases altogether above 2,500 rpm, ensuring that it remains imperceptible to the vehicle's occupants at higher rev speeds and does not become an irritation on long journeys so that travel comfort is not impaired in any way."
Brakes are the same... 312mm in front, and 286mm back!
Rob, it's strange you're getting understeer, the Leon is probably the least understeering front wheel drive car I've owned, and I'd include my old Mk2 Golf GTI 16v which was a fantastic handling car.
It could be something to do with the tracking perhaps with your new wheels?
It could be something to do with the tracking perhaps with your new wheels?
Hmm... why should they bother about a manifold, when they just have to change the engine programme a little bit to get the 200hp??? – I really want to see that before I believe it…
I think that the FR has slightly better economy because the engine “performs better” when it’s not “restrained” to 185hp instead of the 200hp it delivers in both the Golf V GTI, Octavia RS and in the Audi´s! - Think it’s all about computer programming!
Skinfakse said:Hmm... why should they bother about a manifold, when they just have to change the engine programme a little bit to get the 200hp??? – I really want to see that before I believe it…
I think that the FR has slightly better economy because the engine “performs better” when it’s not “restrained” to 185hp instead of the 200hp it delivers in both the Golf V GTI, Octavia RS and in the Audi´s! - Think it’s all about computer programming!
Could this have anything to do with it...
Another quote from SEAT
" FSI, or Fuel Stratified Injection, is the state-of-the-art in fuel injection technology available on the New Leon's top petrol engine. It increases both torque and power while improving consumption (up to 15%) and reducing exhaust emissions.
As opposed to standard manifold injection systems, FSI engines inject fuel directly into the cylinder and use a specially shaped piston crown to concentrate the air/fuel mix below the sparkplug.
This produces optimal fuel combustion which, in turn, reduces heat loss and increases output while minimising fuel consumption and emissions."
But the New FR is about 50 kilos heavier than the TFSI... so I wonder about thefuel economy....programming must be everything these days....
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Skinfakse said:50 kilos??? - The TFSI is stated as weighing 1325kg and the FR TFSI as 1334kg… that’s only 9kg in difference! – Could easily be because of the different styling and wheels…
ok, I thought the FR was 1418Kg...
http://www.seat.co.uk/generator/su/...007,carname=new leon,trim=FR,pagetype=ts.html
Allright... - but it´s a bit different how they state the weight of the cars!
FR
Weight in running order min - max (kg) 1.334-1.418
From www.seat.com
TFSI
Weight in running order min - max (kg) 1.325- (I can´t see the "max" on the Danish website... and the TFSI is gone from most local websites! )
But either way... the difference will still be only 9kg!
- but it´s a bit different how they state the weight of the cars!FR
Weight in running order min - max (kg) 1.334-1.418
From www.seat.com
TFSI
Weight in running order min - max (kg) 1.325- (I can´t see the "max" on the Danish website... and the TFSI is gone from most local websites!
)But either way... the difference will still be only 9kg!
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