High Timing pull and rich AFR
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How about a crazy idea...Use the APR Trial Map and see the difference =![[B)]](/forums/styles/seatcupra/oldforumsmileys/shades.gif "Cool [B)]")
Would it remove my REVO map ?
And no APR dealer available on this side in Scandinavia =(
Yeah it would remove it. Have you had the car from new? Someone else on here was having weird things happen to his and it turned out to be a dodgy repository on the cylinder head as memory serves. When I get time away from travelling I will try to look for the details.
Poverty
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2500rpm and EGTSs are at 800c????? Thats not right at all, id expect engine to be under heavy load from 4500rpm and above, after having run through one or two gears atleast.
The EGT protection is there to stop things melting.
Id revert back to a bone stock OEM map and do testing from there, back to basics. revo stock mode isnt stock
Got the car after 20000 km. Confirmed before buying it that it never had been to dealer for any serious engine work or similar. Owner before was careful driver, car still had the original tires on when i got it and have lasted at leas another 10000 km so car had been driven nicely i assume.
Let me know more of the cylinder thread if you get any time over to find it.
I will sooner or later do a compression test and leak down test to check that all is good. Car is currently not burning oil at all.
Well, my logs are after running highway and then going a couple of gears. Usually i do one 4th gear full pull then drive one minute or so and stop to check logs. Sometimes i will go for another run but at least driving highway again for a minute or so to cool down things and then going again for full throttle and logging.
Checked the EGT in a nother thread and seems as EGT of 800 C is possible.
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=252182
I will get in touch with REVO to see my option of testing OEM stock.
Had a chat with Sorensen Performance in Denamrk about the issue i have with my car and got a suggestion that this is due to the LPFP .
Well after logging block 231 it seems obvious that LPFP or fuel filter are messed up.
See my logs below. Can anyone confirm what the difference between specified and actual LPFP value should be.
I think Sorensen Performance indicated actual value should at least be 4 bar at full throttle.
Well after logging block 231 it seems obvious that LPFP or fuel filter are messed up.
See my logs below. Can anyone confirm what the difference between specified and actual LPFP value should be.
I think Sorensen Performance indicated actual value should at least be 4 bar at full throttle.
Code:
Group A: 002 Group B: 230 Group C: 231
Engine Speed Engine Load Injection Intake Air Mass Rail Pressure Rail Pressure Rail Pressure Pressure Pressure Load
TIME Timing TIME (specified) (actual) Difference TIME
Marker STAMP /min % ms g/s STAMP bar bar bar STAMP bar bar %
0.14 1560 14.3 0.51 4.94 0.27 50 49.98 0.02 0.01 4 3.88 37.6
0.52 1680 60.9 2.55 32.81 0.66 72.95 74.84 -1.89 0.39 4 3.94 39.6
0.91 1640 75.2 2.81 28.94 1.03 95.77 98.25 -2.48 0.78 4 3.88 47.1
1.3 1720 82 3.06 32.69 1.43 103.54 106.92 -3.38 1.18 4 4.19 46.7
1.69 1800 89.5 3.31 37.39 1.82 105.85 108.29 -2.44 1.55 4 4.39 45.1
2.07 1880 95.5 3.57 41.22 2.21 107.83 108.88 -1.05 1.94 4 4.41 44.7
2.45 2000 102.3 3.57 46.47 2.58 109.83 110.41 -0.59 2.33 4 4.37 44.3
2.85 2120 109.8 3.83 52.67 2.97 113.79 113.83 -0.05 2.72 4 4.29 44.3
3.24 2240 118 4.08 61.11 3.36 118.32 118.87 -0.55 3.1 4 4.19 45.5
3.61 2360 128.6 4.34 71.42 3.75 123.77 123.74 0.02 3.48 4 4.12 46.3
4 2480 142.9 4.84 83.06 4.13 128.49 125.96 2.53 3.88 4 4.05 48.2
4.39 2640 162.4 5.87 99.81 4.52 129.81 125.98 3.83 4.27 4 4 50.6
4.78 2880 187.2 7.4 128.42 4.91 129.86 126.79 3.06 4.64 4 3.9 54.9
5.16 3000 191.7 8.42 146.31 5.3 129.86 127.04 2.82 5.03 4 3.77 62
5.55 3160 191.7 8.67 167.39 5.68 129.86 127.85 2.01 5.42 4 3.81 63.5
5.94 3360 191.7 8.42 127.17 6.07 129.86 127.33 2.53 5.82 4 3.87 63.9
6.33 3520 191.7 7.91 111.61 6.46 129.86 127.74 2.11 6.19 4 3.86 64.3
6.7 3680 191.7 7.91 192.11 6.85 129.86 128.76 1.09 6.58 4 3.83 65.1
7.09 3880 191.7 7.65 175.67 7.22 129.86 127.62 2.23 6.97 4 3.77 66.3
7.49 4040 191.7 7.65 134.33 7.61 129.86 128.26 1.6 7.36 4 3.69 67.1
7.88 4240 191.7 7.65 189.14 8 129.86 127.91 1.94 7.74 4 3.66 68.6
8.25 4400 191.7 7.91 188.5 8.39 129.86 126.63 3.22 8.12 4 3.63 70.2
8.64 4600 191.7 7.65 197.97 8.77 129.86 128.23 1.62 8.52 4 3.53 73.7
9.03 4720 191.7 7.4 200.08 9.16 129.86 129.72 0.13 8.91 4 3.55 76.1
9.43 4920 191.7 7.4 207 9.55 129.86 129.63 0.22 9.29 4 3.69 75.7
9.8 5080 191.7 7.4 210.33 9.94 129.86 129.35 0.51 9.67 4 3.77 76.5
10.19 5240 191.7 7.14 219.22 10.31 129.86 130.64 -0.78 10.07 4 3.76 78
10.58 5400 191.7 7.14 223.69 10.71 129.86 128.98 0.87 10.46 4 3.71 81.6
10.97 5560 191.7 7.14 230 11.1 129.86 129.2 0.66 10.83 4 3.76 84.3
11.34 5680 191.7 7.4 238.22 11.49 129.86 129.22 0.63 11.22 4 3.95 78
11.73 5840 191.7 7.4 245.08 11.86 129.86 129.26 0.6 11.61 4 3.74 88.6
12.13 6000 191.7 7.14 242.72 12.25 129.86 132.76 -2.91 12 4 3.83 90.2
12.52 6120 191.7 7.14 245.64 12.64 129.96 129.84 0.12 12.38 4 3.99 85.1
12.89 6240 191.7 7.14 253.75 13.04 129.99 130.85 -0.87 12.77 4 3.96 85.9
13.29 6360 191.7 7.4 251.78 13.41 129.99 130.68 -0.69 13.16 4 3.87 91.8
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Code:
020 115 230
Cylinder 1 Ignition Cylinder 2 Ignition Cylinder 3 Ignition Cylinder 4 Ignition Engine Speed Rail Pressure Rail Pressure Rail Pressure
Angle Delay Angle Delay Angle Delay Angle Delay (specified) (actual) Difference
°KW °KW °KW °KW /min bar bar bar
0 0 0 0 1760 52.19 52.31 -0.12
0 0 0 0 1800 72.66 74.03 -1.37
0 0 0 0 1840 98.06 100.48 -2.42
0 0 0 0 1920 107.37 109.71 -2.35
0 0 0 0 2000 110.66 112.44 -1.78
-3 0 0 -3 2120 114.71 116.19 -1.49
-3 -3 -3 -4.5 2240 119.43 120.98 -1.56
-3 -3 -3 -4.5 2360 125.05 126.03 -0.99
-6 -3 -3 -4.5 2520 129.13 126.26 2.86
-6 -6 -3 -4.5 2680 129.13 125.23 3.9
-6 -6 -3 -4.5 2880 129.13 127.45 1.67
-6 -6 -3 -4.5 3080 129.13 126.31 2.81
-6 -6 -3 -3.8 3280 129.13 126.6 2.53
-6 -6 -2.3 -3.8 3440 129.13 128.19 0.94
-5.3 -6 -2.3 -3.8 3600 129.13 127.01 2.11
-5.3 -5.3 -1.5 -3 3760 129.13 129.08 0.04
-4.5 -4.5 -0.8 -2.3 3920 129.13 129.08 0.04
-6.8 -4.5 -0.8 -2.3 4080 129.13 128.76 0.36
-6.8 -3.8 0 -1.5 4280 129.13 128.38 0.74
-6.8 -3.8 0 -1.5 4440 129.13 128.72 0.41
-5.3 -3 0 -0.8 4640 129.13 128.2 0.92
-5.3 -3 0 -0.8 4760 129.13 130.17 -1.04
-4.5 -2.3 0 0 4960 129.13 127.2 1.93
-4.5 -2.3 0 0 5080 129.13 130.49 -1.36
-3.8 -1.5 0 0 5240 129.13 128.1 1.03
-3.8 -1.5 0 0 5400 129.13 129.33 -0.21
-3.8 -0.8 0 0 5560 129.13 129.4 -0.28
-3 -0.8 0 0 5680 129.13 129.15 -0.02
-3 -0.8 0 0 5840 129.13 130.35 -1.23
-2.3 0 0 0 6000 129.13 131.46 -2.34
-2.3 0 0 0 6120 129.13 126.54 2.58
-2.3 0 0 0 6240 129.13 129.5 -0.38
-1.5 0 0 0 6360 129.13 130.11 -0.99sniperftw
Guest
I think this might be what my car is suffering from ? What engine codes do you get?!
Running lean on idle?
Running lean on idle?
sniperftw
Guest
Well, changed my fuel filter to see if that made a difference.
It did but still have the timing pull and rich AFR
.
What changed is that i now see LPFP request of 4,5 bar instead of only 4 bar.
Still not knowing what the accepted difference between current and specified is. Anyone with logs on group 231 kindly help me check or share your logs!
It did but still have the timing pull and rich AFR
.What changed is that i now see LPFP request of 4,5 bar instead of only 4 bar.
Still not knowing what the accepted difference between current and specified is. Anyone with logs on group 231 kindly help me check or share your logs!
Code:
020 Group B: 231 Group C: 031
Cylinder 1 Ignition Cylinder 2 Ignition Cylinder 3 Ignition Cylinder 4 Ignition Pressure Pressure Load Lambda Sensor Lambda Sensor
Angle Delay Angle Delay Angle Delay Angle Delay TIME TIME Current Value Specified Value
°KW °KW °KW °KW STAMP bar bar % STAMP
0 0 0 0 0.08 4.5 4.09 40.4 0.2 0.95 1
0 0 0 0 0.45 4.5 4.04 44.3 0.6 0.99 1
0 0 0 0 0.84 4.5 4.26 43.9 0.97 0.99 1
0 0 0 0 1.23 4.5 4.48 41.6 1.36 0.97 1
0 0 0 0 1.62 4.5 4.53 40.8 1.75 0.99 1
-1.5 0 0 0 2 4.5 4.47 47.1 2.14 0.87 1
-1.5 0 0 0 2.39 4.5 4.38 49.8 2.52 1 0.92
-0.8 0 0 0 2.78 4.5 4.59 49.8 2.9 0.93 0.91
0 0 0 0 3.18 4.5 4.79 49.8 3.3 0.9 0.91
0 0 0 0 3.55 4.5 4.9 49 3.69 0.89 0.91
-3 0 0 -3 3.94 4.5 4.85 49.4 4.06 0.89 0.91
-3 -3 -3 -3 4.33 4.5 4.73 50.6 4.45 0.9 0.9
-3 -3 -3 -3 4.72 4.5 4.63 52.5 4.84 0.87 0.84
-3 -3 -3 -3 5.09 4.5 4.52 57.3 5.24 0.77 0.77
-3 -3 -3 -3 5.48 4.5 4.36 62.7 5.61 0.75 0.75
-3 -3 -3 -3 5.87 4.5 4.27 67.5 6 0.77 0.74
-2.3 -3 -3 -3 6.27 4.5 4.25 68.2 6.39 0.7 0.73
-2.3 -2.3 -3 -2.3 6.64 4.5 4.16 69.4 6.78 0.71 0.73
-1.5 -2.3 -2.3 -1.5 7.03 4.46 4.2 69.8 7.16 0.73 0.73
-4.5 -1.5 -1.5 -1.5 7.42 4.46 4.22 70.6 7.55 0.73 0.73
-4.5 -1.5 -1.5 -0.8 7.81 4.46 4.18 71.8 7.94 0.72 0.73
-4.5 -1.5 -1.5 -0.8 8.18 4.46 4.14 73.7 8.33 0.74 0.74
-3.8 -0.8 -1.5 -0.8 8.58 4.46 4.1 76.9 8.7 0.73 0.74
-3.8 -0.8 -0.8 0 8.97 4.46 4.06 79.2 9.09 0.74 0.75
-3 0 -0.8 0 9.36 4.46 4.08 82.7 9.49 0.75 0.76
-3 0 0 0 9.74 4.46 4.17 84.7 9.88 0.76 0.77
-3 0 0 0 10.12 4.46 4.34 81.2 10.25 0.75 0.77
-2.3 0 0 0 10.51 4.46 4.31 85.5 10.64 0.74 0.76
-2.3 0 0 0 10.91 4.46 4.3 88.2 11.03 0.77 0.77
-1.5 0 0 0 11.28 4.46 4.38 86.7 11.42 0.77 0.77
-1.5 0 0 0 11.67 4.46 4.36 89 11.8 0.77 0.78
-0.8 0 0 0 12.06 4.46 4.34 91.8 12.19 0.77 0.78
-0.8 0 0 0 12.45 4.46 4.33 91.8 12.58 0.77 0.78
-0.8 0 0 0 12.83 4.46 4.34 91.8 12.97 0.84 0.81
0 0 0 0 13.22 4.42 5.03 56.1 13.35 0.94 0.98Have you had your timing checked?
i mean a physical check?
i will PM you later with some info mate.
i mean a physical check?
i will PM you later with some info mate.
Poverty
Guest
send me a private message of your facebook details, I can put you in touch with some people who really know this engine inside out
Small update, end of last week i changed coilpack and MAF that i purchased used. Parts where from a crashed 2012 tfsi engine with less then 10000 km on the clock.
Now i see timing pull at early revs but not at all at the end in the same way, other then that all is the same. This is opposite to before
Had a thought about the intake manifold flap, maybe it is stock and causing the engine to not get the correct amount of air at full throttle? But the car is not older then 30000 km so parts should not be faulty already.
Next i will do a compression test on the engine as robdf2 advised me in a PM, thanks for that Rob.
Now i see timing pull at early revs but not at all at the end in the same way, other then that all is the same. This is opposite to before
Had a thought about the intake manifold flap, maybe it is stock and causing the engine to not get the correct amount of air at full throttle? But the car is not older then 30000 km so parts should not be faulty already.
Next i will do a compression test on the engine as robdf2 advised me in a PM, thanks for that Rob.
Code:
Group A: 020 Group B: 026 Group C: 031
Cylinder 1 Ignition Cylinder 2 Ignition Cylinder 3 Ignition Cylinder 4 Ignition Voltage Voltage Voltage Voltage Lambda Sensor Lambda Sensor
TIME Angle Delay Angle Delay Angle Delay Angle Delay TIME TIME Current Value Specified Value
STAMP °KW °KW °KW °KW STAMP V V V V STAMP
0.01 -2.3 0 0 0 0.14 0.624 0.78 0.936 0.624 0.27 0.95 1
0.39 -1.5 0 0 0 0.52 0.78 1.092 1.092 1.092 0.66 0.98 0.92
0.78 -3 0 0 -3 0.91 1.092 1.404 1.092 0.936 1.03 0.89 0.89
1.17 -5.3 -3 0 -3 1.3 1.404 1.716 1.56 1.248 1.42 0.88 0.88
1.55 -5.3 -3 0 -5.3 1.69 1.404 2.34 2.34 1.404 1.82 0.82 0.8
1.94 -5.3 -3 -3 -5.3 2.07 1.716 2.496 2.34 1.56 2.21 0.75 0.74
2.33 -5.3 -3 -3 -5.3 2.46 1.872 2.808 2.184 1.716 2.58 0.75 0.73
2.72 -5.3 -3 -3 -5.3 2.85 2.184 2.808 2.34 1.872 2.97 0.7 0.72
3.1 -5.3 -3 -3 -5.3 3.24 2.34 3.276 2.184 2.184 3.36 0.67 0.72
3.49 -5.3 -3 -3 -5.3 3.61 2.184 3.276 2.34 2.184 3.75 0.72 0.74
3.88 0 0 0 0 4 2.964 3.744 2.808 2.808 4.12 0.78 0.77
4.26 0 0 0 0 4.39 4.212 4.368 3.432 3.276 4.52 0.78 0.77
4.64 -3 0 0 0 4.79 7.488 4.68 3.9 3.588 4.91 0.77 0.77
5.03 -3 0 0 0 5.16 8.112 5.46 4.836 5.616 5.3 0.77 0.77
5.42 -3 0 0 0 5.55 7.332 5.46 4.836 5.304 5.67 0.75 0.76
5.81 -2.3 0 0 0 5.94 7.02 6.24 5.148 5.46 6.07 0.75 0.76
6.19 -2.3 0 0 0 6.33 7.644 6.708 4.836 5.46 6.46 0.75 0.76
6.58 -2.3 0 0 0 6.7 5.46 6.864 4.836 5.148 6.85 0.75 0.76
6.97 -1.5 0 0 0 7.1 6.396 6.084 4.68 4.836 7.22 0.76 0.76
7.36 -1.5 0 0 0 7.49 6.396 6.864 5.148 5.304 7.61 0.76 0.76
7.74 -0.8 0 0 0 7.88 6.864 7.956 4.992 5.616 8 0.76 0.77
8.13 -0.8 0 0 0 8.25 7.02 8.112 5.304 5.304 8.39 0.76 0.77
8.52 -0.8 0 0 0 8.65 7.176 8.424 5.928 5.148 8.77 0.76 0.77
8.91 0 0 0 0 9.03 6.708 7.488 5.616 5.928 9.16 0.75 0.77
9.28 0 0 0 0 9.43 6.552 8.268 5.148 6.084 9.55 0.76 0.77
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Thankful for your help on this, really!
As i do not have any facebook account i will PM you my mail. If i had facebook i would have to do some explaning to some ladies, better avoiding that situation
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