Does this manifold fit the IHI VF 34 turbo ??

[Carfanatic.nl]

Hi,

found this on ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_Car...75855&_trksid=p3756.m14.l1318#ShippingPayment

Does this fit the IHI VF34 turbo ?

Anyone who uses this manifold .. experience ?

 

[h17och]

its a t3 flange so no.

what do you expect for that money? i can tell you it will be utter crap

 

[Carfanatic.nl]

its a t3 flange so no.

what do you expect for that money? i can tell you it will be utter crap

Did you ever used this mani, know some one who used this mani.. How can you say its a sucky manifold ?

Besides that i dont know stuff like this thats why i ask this on a forum.

Whick manifolds do fit ??? Only full race en JBS ?

 

[minimivic]

jbs and jabba sport do manifolds for IHI.

 

[Carfanatic.nl]

Oke thanks

 

[Rick1.8t]

I wouldnt count that manufold out without looking....its not for the IHI no, but does open the doors to t3 based turbochargers.

Someone on edition 38 with a bt build on a golf syncro is using that manifold, he has just re-angled the flange to help his downpipe clear the propshaft and lengthened the wastegate pipework to suit his setup.

Edit: Heres the build thread: http://www.edition38.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=99250&st=60

Thats a car thats having what appears to be a money no object build too.

I for one have spotted the manifold and dont think it looks all that bad, for about £250 in the country i can see myself buying one and taking it to a welder i know for it to be assessed and strengthened/altered if needed (he wont charge me very much)

Rick

 

[ibizacupra]

tell you what. you buy it.. find its T3 flanged, and not IHI flanged, external gated for some sort of gate or other... and let us know if it cracks on you. (which is the usual concern on anything ebay, and shiney looking manifold which are sold for less than it would cost you to buy the right quality materials alone!)

good luck

 

[ibizacupra]

I wouldnt count that manufold out without looking....its not for the IHI no, but does open the doors to t3 based turbochargers.

Someone on edition 38 with a bt build on a golf syncro is using that manifold, he has just re-angled the flange to help his downpipe clear the propshaft and lengthened the wastegate pipework to suit his setup.

Edit: Heres the build thread: http://www.edition38.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=99250&st=60

Thats a car thats having what appears to be a money no object build too.

I for one have spotted the manifold and dont think it looks all that bad, for about £250 in the country i can see myself buying one and taking it to a welder i know for it to be assessed and strengthened/altered if needed (he wont charge me very much)

Rick

re welding wont help if its material is dubious quality, and not back purged welded from new..

only time will tell.

my bet is its utter shite

 

[h17och]

just to make a change im on bills side lol

 

[Carfanatic.nl]

all right.. i dont want a onreliable manifold..
Must do the job good ! Holding those horsepowers, no cracky things...

So what are my options ? (with prices)

 

[HTC]

Slightly off topic, but what is meant by "back purging" with regards to welding?

 

[jamiebennett81]

carfanatic, have we not been here before, buy cheap, buy twice

a proper and high quality BT manifold will be anything from £700-1000 if not a little more

buying cheap car parts from ebay is just asking for trouble. if you want to do the BT conversion right, then you have to pay the money

 

[ibizacupra]

Slightly off topic, but what is meant by "back purging" with regards to welding?

back purging during welding of a stainless steel manifold (or other) will eliminate the carbonising/coking of the internal weld bead. Coked weld bead by definiation has carbon inclusions, and is a weak/poor weld. It also aides nice weld penetration when running a root pass weld.
Same reasoning MIG/TIG is the IG as in, Inert Gas, so carrying this on to the inside means a nice clean internal weld after welding from the external face.

Some of the eGay manifolds are poor quality materials, just polished up to look something theyre not, with horrible welds, not root pass, just coked junk, and prettied by an orbital top cap pass to make it look nice. Internally its a mess hence the cracking issues.

 

[tashacupra]

Slightly off topic, but what is meant by "back purging" with regards to welding?

Hi, this means that the pipe is filled with a inert shielding gas during welding, normaly 99.9% pure argon, the same stuff as used on the TIG welder for the shield gas, although pure nitrogen can be used and special "specshields" can be mixed to the customers requirment if a specific mechanical property in the perent material / weld metal is trying to be inhanced or preserved.

The purpose of this is to "purge" all the air from the inside if the pipe creating an oxygen free atmospher inside the pipe, so with the aid of the shield gas from the TIG welder you will have a completly oxygen free atmospher inside and outside the pipe, this will prevent any oxidisation and cokeing of the root during welding which will make the weld much stronger and it will have better mechanical properties etc.

Normaly purging is restricted to use on stainless steel, titanium, inconell and other high nickel / chrome alloys although it will aid welding of carbon steel pipe if implamented in the same way, the reason it is not widely used in mass fabrication of carbon steel is just to keep fabrication costs to a minimum.

Bill cant type faster than me! lol

Hope that all makes sense and explains a bit.

 

[ibizacupra]

Bill cant type faster than me! lol

"cant"? - you typed more......... took ya longer thats all

I used to weld a product together comprising 316L or C22 Hastalloy, using ARC Machines orbital welding, hence knowing a little about TIG welding, be it automatic or manual. Auto welding is awesome but not so accessible on a manifold with the heads we have. (sadly)

 

[tashacupra]

"cant"? - you typed more......... took ya longer thats all

I used to weld a product together comprising 316L or C22 Hastalloy, using ARC Machines orbital welding, hence knowing a little about TIG welding, be it automatic or manual. Auto welding is awesome but not so accessible on a manifold with the heads we have. (sadly)

Sorry Bill, thats a typo should say "can", i type slow as hell.

My other half has had experiance with ARC machines orbital during his time with Mitsui Babcock and at the Twi in cambridge and as you say its awsome gear, was also on stainless although at 83mm wall thikness and 30'' nominal bore its a little bigger than mani pipe. Took 293 passes from root to cap.

 

[ibizacupra]

lol.. we have several ARC units, one is the wire fed tig head 227 unit, which runs pipes from about 2" od to 6" od. lovely kit..

i remember having to qualify a weld butt joint on what was previously a bent one piece tube, but bending yield was abysmal in one go so I split it in two and welded it back together.. on tensile tests the tube (post vacuum annealing to normalise) the tube never broke on a weld. 140,000psi tensile pull I recall before it broke.

 

[HTC]

Thanks for explaining that you two. I understand the advantages now.

 

[caveo]

I think that mani is suposed to work with the e-bay electric turbo!! LOL!

 

[jamiebennett81]

I think that mani is suposed to work with the e-bay electric turbo!! LOL!

nail on head there mate

different note, why are you selling the beast?