Intresting review of the new Ibiza Cupra on Pistonheads.

[Prev]

Not sure if this is the right place but nice little review.

http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests/doc.asp?c=47&i=20279

Got to agree with the review, who wants a seven speed auto in a hot hatch. Six on the floor would be my choice.

 

[Trumpetman21]

Have to agree with them - would probably drop the price by a fair bit as well.

 

[vtxracer]

I don't agree. The DSG is perfect. And it can be remapped.
See this pic; http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/9577/golf6abttuning.jpg
its a dsg7 golf with torque over the limits the dsg is suposed to handle.

 

[jazzdevil]

Not a bad review I guess... Excusing my ignorance then, is the Cupra only available with the DSG box?

 

[Trumpetman21]

Yeah it is - a real shame.

 

[depresion]

What's not to like about a 7 speed race 'box developed to be better than you could be?

vtxracer intresting results on that I see they are over the 184ft/lb right the way through to about 6k, (6000 rpm and 210bhp would be 183.82ft/lb) so even if the map pegged back the torque at the lower end of the revs if you could push it upto 184 from 152.5 at 6200rpm you are looking at 217bhp. It won't have the same punch as it would with the extra low down torque but with 7 gears and a super fast change you can keep it in the optimum range.

 

[vtxracer]

A friend has a golf tsi dsg remapped to 240 hp. The dsg still works perfectly. He can beat every manual. Dsg is a really good gearbox. Shift gears in less than 8 ms while an f1 gearbox at about 140 ms.

 

[*Lou*]

I quite like the new Cupra.. Not to everyones taste I know, but hey! It is quite yummy

 

[Fl@pper]

would be better if it was an option but then would it work better with a manual considering the Super/turbo arrangement is an all new arrangement

not exactly a big bore 16v motor after all

plus would anyone buy it if it was optional cost of course

 

[vtxracer]

I would get the dsg no matter the cost. I own a dsg passat and it is very comfortable. Also got an FR because it had the dsg gearbox.

 

[Trumpetman21]

So you'd buy it with DSG if it doubled the price? Pull the other one, it's got bells on!

 

[Fl@pper]

lol come on, a gearbox option is never going to be a 50% premium on car's base price is it

 

[vtxracer]

what i want to,say is that the convinience the dsg offers you is worth the extra cost. And i am willing to pay a lot to get a good gearbox. Luckily the new fr had it as standart.

 

[Prev]

Im not a fan of any autospastic gearboxes. 5 or 6 on the floor for me. Drove my mates R32 with DSG and truely hated the experience. Drove my Dads 911 with that stupid tiptronic crap in it also horrible. Drove my mates 911, same year and model with 6 speed manual and it felt like a different car loved it.

 

[Trumpetman21]

I dunno....people spend hundreds learning to drive a car with gears and then are only too willing to throw it all away for the sake of a bit of 'convienience' (at great added expense I might add)....you'll all be in auto Volvos next!

Tsk....youth of today etc etc etc....

 

[jazzdevil]

To be fair, I've not driven anything with DSG yet... but the concept just doesn't appeal for some reason.

What worries me is that the PH review (and several other DSG comments on this thread)suggest that the system is so good at doing what it does that it disconnects you from the driving experience... where I've always driven a car where reaching out and shifting a manual 'box was part of the process - irrespective of whether I do it several seconds slower than some natty computer-brain.

Horses for courses I guess, but I just resent the assumption that manufacturers are making that everyone wants this over an apparently 'old fashioned' gearstick

 

[Trumpetman21]

+ 1 million mate!

 

[nightflight]

despite the playstation-like fun the DSG gives, and the round-town pootleability, i'd still rather have the proper hands on feeling you get when you stomp on the brakes and manually put the car into third for a roundabout etc.
on a bigger, more cruisy saloon car i probably would have DSG but not on a hot hatch

 

[golfgtipaul]

dont read the ph comments!

dont read the comments after the article on ph. Not many like the shape of the car or interior and are actually quite rude about it. This is from a bunch of kids who drive around in chaved up corsas!

 

[Becks]

i'm really liking the look of these, i'm not a yellow car fan and it still looks fantastic in the article.