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Invisibles K1 Upgrades - Now with WALK and HPFP Stg1
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Where have i seen this car before ? looks very familiar lol.
im in nottingham for a long weekend next week mate , can meet up if you want?
im in nottingham for a long weekend next week mate , can meet up if you want?
Jmate
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Revision D
01 Nov 2010
Small update as nothing new added for a long time. Car has been beginning to feel a bit sluggish recently. I do not know if this is because I am used to stage 1 now or something just not performing correctly so decided to upgrade one of the 'weak' parts
So today fitted the new Revision D Diverter Valve (supplied from Sere Motors).
Very easy to fit (on Cupras anyway)
As per image below
1. Unplug the connector
2. remove the 3 screws (Torx T30) and remove
('X' marks the spot of screws / connection)
FYI,
Below image of new Rev D Diverter Valve on Left, old 'rubber' type on right;
I have to say do not know if its placebo effect kicking in as know it's a new valve but it does appear to feel like it holds boost better but wouldn't say noticeable performance increase as feel my old one was in very good working order anyway
Also, coming soon -
Autotech HPFP and new CAM follower being installed 03 Nov and hopefully a tweak to the map
Autotech HPFP Internals
CAM Follower
- WALK, front inner wishbone poly bushes and engine mounts (still sitting in garage) - Install TBC (may wait for ARBs and do all at same time
01 Nov 2010
Small update as nothing new added for a long time. Car has been beginning to feel a bit sluggish recently. I do not know if this is because I am used to stage 1 now or something just not performing correctly so decided to upgrade one of the 'weak' parts
So today fitted the new Revision D Diverter Valve (supplied from Sere Motors).
Very easy to fit (on Cupras anyway)
As per image below
1. Unplug the connector
2. remove the 3 screws (Torx T30) and remove
('X' marks the spot of screws / connection)
FYI,
Below image of new Rev D Diverter Valve on Left, old 'rubber' type on right;
I have to say do not know if its placebo effect kicking in as know it's a new valve but it does appear to feel like it holds boost better but wouldn't say noticeable performance increase as feel my old one was in very good working order anyway
Also, coming soon -
Autotech HPFP and new CAM follower being installed 03 Nov and hopefully a tweak to the map
Autotech HPFP Internals
CAM Follower
- WALK, front inner wishbone poly bushes and engine mounts (still sitting in garage) - Install TBC (may wait for ARBs and do all at same time
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01 Nov 2010
Small update as nothing new added for a long time. Car has been beginning to feel a bit sluggish recently. I do not know if this is because I am used to stage 1 now or something just not performing correctly so decided to upgrade one of the 'weak' parts
So today fitted the new Revision D Diverter Valve (supplied from Sere Motors).
Very easy to fit (on Cupras anyway)
As per image below
1. Unplug the connector
2. remove the 3 screws (Torx T30) and remove
('X' marks the spot of screws / connection)
FYI,
Below image of new Rev D Diverter Valve on Left, old 'rubber' type on right;
I have to say do not know if its placebo effect kicking in as know it's a new valve but it does appear to feel like it holds boost better but wouldn't say noticeable performance increase as feel my old one was in very good working order anyway
Also, coming soon -
Autotech HPFP and new CAM follower being installed 03 Nov and hopefully a tweak to the map
Autotech HPFP Internals
CAM Follower
- WALK, front inner wishbone poly bushes and engine mounts (still sitting in garage) - Install TBC (may wait for ARBs and do all at same time
looking good Dave , mine was miles better once my revision d was fitted.
will be interesting to see what its like with the new fuel pump , how much is it costing?
Short of removing the current valve (as beautifully described above!) can you tell if you have the Rev D already? Is there a code on the part that is easy to see? (can't look now as it's too damn dark, wet and windy!)
there is iirc its not visable without taking the valve out , unless you get a dental mirror and manourve it into place to read it.
Externally they look the same.
Not with car at moment so can not see if part number is visable, if it is the Rev D partno would be;
06H145710D
If it's not that then you have the old one. I think they started swapping them over in 2009 so chances are if the car is older than on an 09 plate you probably have the old one
I got the autotech internals from a group buy on Vagoc.com (guy picking up direct from the USA) for £230 (too good to miss that one!) versus 310 quid best I could get elsewhere (Monster Motorsport)
Monster Motorsport quoted me 45 quid to install as about an hours work. I did read the instructions for doing myself but short on a few of the tools and looked like a bit fiddly and guessed i'd likely to end up breaking it.
Cam follower was 24 quid delivered from Sere motors and once the fuel pump off this is an easy replace so hoping that will be included in the 45 notes.
I'm hoping they will let me have a nose around as interested to see what the old follower looks like
I am not sure if Monster have the time on Wednesday to tweak the map for me but will see (I'll have to try and twist Neilor Mikes arm)
I think now with the updates takes me right to the threshold of stage 1.
I said previously I wouldn't go stage 2 until I was comfortable the car handled properly, for now i'm sticking with that theory!
I got the autotech internals from a group buy on Vagoc.com (guy picking up direct from the USA) for £230 (too good to miss that one!) versus 310 quid best I could get elsewhere (Monster Motorsport)
Monster Motorsport quoted me 45 quid to install as about an hours work. I did read the instructions for doing myself but short on a few of the tools and looked like a bit fiddly and guessed i'd likely to end up breaking it.
Cam follower was 24 quid delivered from Sere motors and once the fuel pump off this is an easy replace so hoping that will be included in the 45 notes.
I'm hoping they will let me have a nose around as interested to see what the old follower looks like
I am not sure if Monster have the time on Wednesday to tweak the map for me but will see (I'll have to try and twist Neilor Mikes arm)
I think now with the updates takes me right to the threshold of stage 1.
I said previously I wouldn't go stage 2 until I was comfortable the car handled properly, for now i'm sticking with that theory!
you putting new o ring seals in?
i know Revo have just put a new engine in their K1 because the seals went and fuel and oil mixed and the engine expired
Really interested to see what difference it makes as I'm gonna get mine fitted in the next week or so.
Here is the old CAM Follower removed after the car had done 22K miles;
Showing signs of wear
Didn't get time to have the map tweaked as too later so will report back when re-booked in. Far too wet on way back to notice if any difference
Showing signs of wear
Didn't get time to have the map tweaked as too later so will report back when re-booked in. Far too wet on way back to notice if any difference
you putting new o ring seals in?
i know Revo have just put a new engine in their K1 because the seals went and fuel and oil mixed and the engine expired
Erm I do not think so, I didn't fit it!
Trust you to get me really worried now!
You're getting me worried too, that's the first I've heard of revo having to get a new engine. I think some research may be in order.
Here is the old CAM Follower removed after the car had done 22K miles;
Showing signs of wear
Didn't get time to have the map tweaked as too later so will report back when re-booked in. Far too wet on way back to notice if any difference
would that qualify for a warranty change?
mines back in seat this week , i know shock eh?
missfing on cylinders 3 and 4 and i rekon its fuel related , wonder if my bucket is ok? done 44k now
Well I understnad it operates in a 'hammer type' action and from what I understand the original followers on some cars are soft.
I am told that is show wear when the black surface starts to wear away.
It should only take them 30 mins max to remove the pump and take the follower out for inspection and iirc it was SEAT that said they were prone to wear.
I was told the new partno has a 'harder' coating,
Again, as with the DV, the car feels a bit keener but that could just be the placebo effect again!
For my own piece of mind I have now changed the two components that people has guided as prone to break or are weak
Whats the verdict now that you have driven the car with the upgrades?
Any quicker? smoother?
time for some more logs me thinks !
Any quicker? smoother?
time for some more logs me thinks !
WALK + MAP Tweak
11 Nov 2010
In with Monster Motorsport today, still can't fault the staff and dedication to go the extra mile to help you out.
After having the Autotech HPFP internals fitted last week and not getting time to set it up (tweak on Dyno) came back today to have this done + for good measure has one of my handling mods installed;
The Whiteline Anti-lift Kit (WALK). I also chose to have the front inner front wishbome bushes upgrade to Powerflex ones too as this is recommeded if fitting the WALK kit;
WALK
As for how does this feel to drive afterwards these are my early observations albeit pissing down with rain so difficult to give a good review for nwo;
- It felt to me the steering had firmed up a bit and now gives a more positive feedback
- Also I would say feels better in the corners too
- When pushing it you can feel it doing what it is designed to do, resist the lift!
- Very wet so unable to confirm if giving better traction
- I have not felt any additional vibration or negative feel to the car
Points to note it will need re-alignemnt setting done again but I plan to add ARBs and Mounts before getting this reset
Overall I believe a good investment
Dyno run and revo tweak to take account of new Autotech HPFP.
Dyno a stage 1 with ITG and Autotech HPFP
Previously on the same dyno my car just squeezed a few decimals over the 300 bhp mark.
After some tweaking and about 8 or some runs it only made 305 which was less than I expected albeit the graphs were nice and smooth. Car left to cool as suffering heatsoak and a bite to eat in order!
Monsters own Cupra made 322bhp with the same mods so Neil (from Monster) looked at their graph and settings, did a bit of tinkering and the graphs where now consistently running above 310bhp and best run just shy of 315bhp which was more in the region of what I had anticipated. I would have hated to have paid all that money for 4 bhp
May car has now been on the rollers 3 times at Monster and if you look back through my build thread will see it has always been a little short of the expected numbers (run 225bhp as std and 273 with stage 1, 300 with stage 1 and ITG).
Having had a new CAM follower installed, new HPFP internals and the Rev D DV I was hoping this may have rectified any past potential shortfall in numbers compared to Monsters Cupra.
Don't get me wrong 7bhp difference is an acceptable range in my opinion, it's nice to have a guide to compare against and I do not feel anything is wrong with my car.
However, for peace of mind Neil took my car on a good 1/2 hour run on the road and did some logging. There is a little concern on the air flow readings from the report as they are outside the range revo would expect to see.
Neil has sent these to REVO to see if anything to be concerned about and mentioned possibility of a faulty MAF sensor? (This could result in some loss)
Unfortunately I do not have the reports but will report back in a few days the findings. I've also forgotten what Revo setting it now has!!
Many thanks again to all the staff at Monster Motorsport in Loughborough. They really do go the extra mile to make happy customers and show their true enthusiasm for what they do and what you want for your car
Next upgrade(s) on the list
I have these in the garage (THS Performance FR3 Engine Mount set). These are side Engine, gearbox and torque mounts)
I also plan to add either Whiteline or Eibach front and rear ARBs before getting the geometry reset
11 Nov 2010
In with Monster Motorsport today, still can't fault the staff and dedication to go the extra mile to help you out.
After having the Autotech HPFP internals fitted last week and not getting time to set it up (tweak on Dyno) came back today to have this done + for good measure has one of my handling mods installed;
The Whiteline Anti-lift Kit (WALK). I also chose to have the front inner front wishbome bushes upgrade to Powerflex ones too as this is recommeded if fitting the WALK kit;
WALK
As for how does this feel to drive afterwards these are my early observations albeit pissing down with rain so difficult to give a good review for nwo;
- It felt to me the steering had firmed up a bit and now gives a more positive feedback
- Also I would say feels better in the corners too
- When pushing it you can feel it doing what it is designed to do, resist the lift!
- Very wet so unable to confirm if giving better traction
- I have not felt any additional vibration or negative feel to the car
Points to note it will need re-alignemnt setting done again but I plan to add ARBs and Mounts before getting this reset
Overall I believe a good investment
Dyno run and revo tweak to take account of new Autotech HPFP.
Dyno a stage 1 with ITG and Autotech HPFP
Previously on the same dyno my car just squeezed a few decimals over the 300 bhp mark.
After some tweaking and about 8 or some runs it only made 305 which was less than I expected albeit the graphs were nice and smooth. Car left to cool as suffering heatsoak and a bite to eat in order!
Monsters own Cupra made 322bhp with the same mods so Neil (from Monster) looked at their graph and settings, did a bit of tinkering and the graphs where now consistently running above 310bhp and best run just shy of 315bhp which was more in the region of what I had anticipated. I would have hated to have paid all that money for 4 bhp
May car has now been on the rollers 3 times at Monster and if you look back through my build thread will see it has always been a little short of the expected numbers (run 225bhp as std and 273 with stage 1, 300 with stage 1 and ITG).
Having had a new CAM follower installed, new HPFP internals and the Rev D DV I was hoping this may have rectified any past potential shortfall in numbers compared to Monsters Cupra.
Don't get me wrong 7bhp difference is an acceptable range in my opinion, it's nice to have a guide to compare against and I do not feel anything is wrong with my car.
However, for peace of mind Neil took my car on a good 1/2 hour run on the road and did some logging. There is a little concern on the air flow readings from the report as they are outside the range revo would expect to see.
Neil has sent these to REVO to see if anything to be concerned about and mentioned possibility of a faulty MAF sensor? (This could result in some loss)
Unfortunately I do not have the reports but will report back in a few days the findings. I've also forgotten what Revo setting it now has!!
Many thanks again to all the staff at Monster Motorsport in Loughborough. They really do go the extra mile to make happy customers and show their true enthusiasm for what they do and what you want for your car
Next upgrade(s) on the list
I have these in the garage (THS Performance FR3 Engine Mount set). These are side Engine, gearbox and torque mounts)
I also plan to add either Whiteline or Eibach front and rear ARBs before getting the geometry reset
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