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Can appreciate that but when the intake is under the bonnet and in line with a headlight is there really going to be any sort of ramming effect going on?
Sfs performance 3" Tip
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Can appreciate that but when the intake is under the bonnet and in line with a headlight is there really going to be any sort of ramming effect going on?
I think the way awesome are selling it is pretty poor. The comparison hasn't exactly been tested scientifically so to claim it's better is going too far. Also taking on badger 5 so directly is pretty poor form. Why not just compare it to stock and let people make up their own minds? They're missing a trick as a lot of their customers won't have heard of the badger 5 tip so this doesn't tell them how good both tips are.
I wouldn't go as far as to say all other TIP's are poor quality.
Is 5-Ply really a selling factor for a TIP? It's not as if the thing is holding 2 bar of boost.
Without competition and variation the car modifying game would be boring and we'd all make similar figures and power.
So you're basically saying that because you've never seen it, and because the max you've ever seen on your own car is 229 then it can't possibly be improved upon?
I'm not an expert in these matters by any means so can you please explain to me why g/s readings on a dyno are always lower than on the road?
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Just read your build thread so can see why you are taking this stance.
"Custom Code stage 2 mapped, 285+ BHP, 305 FTLB (LOW BOOST 1.4 Bar). Badger5's highest dyno figures on K04 turbo
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Would it not be better for everyone if we took a scientific approach to this debate and you stick your car on Bills rollers exactly as it is, then swap your TIP for the SFS one and run it again, same day, back to back and compare?
If I remember correctly sam is using a MKI T.I.P from Bill so we would need to look at his figures from a run with the MKII compared to the SFS.
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When i first ran a prototype of the 3 inch tip a few years ago i used a 3 to 2 inch silicon reducer as simply it was all that was available at the time. When Bill developed his 3 inch TIP with the Billet adapter i was amazed at the design. The adapter channels the air perfectly into the mouth of the turbo with no step or alignment issues with respect to the mouth of the turbo. Being CNC manufactured its as perfect as it gets. My issue with silicon reducers is they are not perfectly formed and if the silicon is pushed too far on or not far enough a step in flow is produced which is detrimental. Every piece of silicon i buy is not a perfectly manufactured product.... adequate for purpose but not mirror perfect in terms of flow.
I run one of Bill's billet adapters simply because it flows better than any silicon part can at that crucial location. I know this as i have literally hundreds of logs with both types of adapters/ collectors.
The dyno results are much ado about nothing. Those of us that have had our cars dynoed will have had a print out of several power runs overlayed on the same sheet. Thoughout my cars life at various states of tune each RR day i've been to have given graphs of bigger varience than those stated here and these will be within minutes of each other with no modification differences at all. SFS are simply manipilating data for the uneducated to be swayed by.
I also think it a bit rich to be comparing performance to the original B5 tip (76mm) as oppsosed to the current 80mm tip where a direct apples for apples comparison can take place.
If i was to be critical of SFS offering i would also point out that the external pictures of the tip look as if the shape is not consistantly flowing and bulbus in areas which if this shape is mirrored internally will again affect velocities and flow.
Had the sfs TIP been around a few years ago i would have grasped it with both hands as its a good piece of kit but superior in any way, no.
There will always be those that innovate and those that imitate, but if performance and quality is your game why have cotton when you can have silk get the original and the best Badger 5 Tip.
I run one of Bill's billet adapters simply because it flows better than any silicon part can at that crucial location. I know this as i have literally hundreds of logs with both types of adapters/ collectors.
The dyno results are much ado about nothing. Those of us that have had our cars dynoed will have had a print out of several power runs overlayed on the same sheet. Thoughout my cars life at various states of tune each RR day i've been to have given graphs of bigger varience than those stated here and these will be within minutes of each other with no modification differences at all. SFS are simply manipilating data for the uneducated to be swayed by.
I also think it a bit rich to be comparing performance to the original B5 tip (76mm) as oppsosed to the current 80mm tip where a direct apples for apples comparison can take place.
If i was to be critical of SFS offering i would also point out that the external pictures of the tip look as if the shape is not consistantly flowing and bulbus in areas which if this shape is mirrored internally will again affect velocities and flow.
Had the sfs TIP been around a few years ago i would have grasped it with both hands as its a good piece of kit but superior in any way, no
. There will always be those that innovate and those that imitate, but if performance and quality is your game why have cotton when you can have silk
get the original and the best Badger 5 Tip.Would it not be better for everyone if we took a scientific approach to this debate and you stick your car on Bills rollers exactly as it is, then swap your TIP for the SFS one and run it again, same day, back to back and compare?
I am trying to avoid posting in this thread as it will inevitably come across as -ve, and the haters will just continue to enjoy having a pop as me.. which I dont like.
That said.. Regarding tests/comparisons being made:
If Awesome want to publish figures, and do comparable tests as I did when developing the original 3" B5 version, (now superceeded by the larger 80mm version), all well and good.
Whats published so far is incomplete, nor representative of the V2 B5 TIP, nor relative comparisons. Insufficient data.
Do the same car, same day, back to back tests, with supporting datalogs of airflow/power etc etc Then, comparisons can be made.
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Would it not be better for everyone if we took a scientific approach to this debate and you stick your car on Bills rollers exactly as it is, then swap your TIP for the SFS one and run it again, same day, back to back and compare?
That's exactly what he suggested bill. I'd love to see the differences as I'm sure you and everyone else would.
Good idea would be if some1 with sfs tip went to badger 5 's dyne day on Sunday and some1 lend them a v2 b5 tip to compare figures shouldnt take that long to swap tips should it ?
One off tests are pretty pointless. It's already clear both tips are very similar so if you want to conclude which is slightly better than the other then something more scientific is required. What people shouldn't be doing is selling one on the basis that it's better than the other on completely spurious data.
I can't see how they re can be much difference in both tips to be honest both 80 mm , only reason I'm swayed to get sfs tip over b5 tip is down to colour which is shallow I no but kawaski green tip will be sweet
What is misleading, is what's been claimed / published currently however.
A) Comparison to V1 TIP (3" OD not 80mm ID - 23% CSA Larger on V2 over V1)
B) done on different day, different conditions,
C) no supporting logs... airflows, boost, ait etc etc
and this is being used to support claims ?
Clearly comparisons are being made, to justify it as a competitive product. They choose to compare it against mine, but not the current B5 V2 TIP, and not comparing gains over stock/normal TIPs... again clearly pitching it directly against what I have developed.
hey ho.. If thats the game.. hey ho.. Good ethical business practice?
Both SFS and mine will make gains over other smaller bore TIPs without doubt in my mind.
I remain happy with mine.
A) Comparison to V1 TIP (3" OD not 80mm ID - 23% CSA Larger on V2 over V1)
B) done on different day, different conditions,
C) no supporting logs... airflows, boost, ait etc etc
and this is being used to support claims ?
Clearly comparisons are being made, to justify it as a competitive product. They choose to compare it against mine, but not the current B5 V2 TIP, and not comparing gains over stock/normal TIPs... again clearly pitching it directly against what I have developed.
hey ho.. If thats the game.. hey ho.. Good ethical business practice?
Both SFS and mine will make gains over other smaller bore TIPs without doubt in my mind.
I remain happy with mine.
Not random data....you can get funky colours 
Next RR i go to id be happy for someone to try the SFS next too the other ones, might still have my B5 one at that time too
Next RR i go to id be happy for someone to try the SFS next too the other ones, might still have my B5 one at that time too
Think a few people on here need to calm down. If you've not got the money, get the SFS, if you have got the money, buy the B5 V2.
When i had my Leon, i had a Creations Motorsport TIP, as it was much cheaper than Forge, and still good quality. But thats not to say i wouldn't have bought a Forge TIP if i'd had the money
At the end of the day, lots of research and development has been done from all parties, all are quality products, so just go with the best one you can afford
When i had my Leon, i had a Creations Motorsport TIP, as it was much cheaper than Forge, and still good quality. But thats not to say i wouldn't have bought a Forge TIP if i'd had the money
At the end of the day, lots of research and development has been done from all parties, all are quality products, so just go with the best one you can afford
i was about to order my coil packs from awsome, dont think i will now if they go about business like that!
At the end of the day, lots of research and development has been done from all parties,
I very much doubt it mate. SFS are on the bandwagon simple, such is life though.
you can get original OEM coil packs from euro car parts for £25 each inc free delivery! (Use discount code "CRAZY" to get 25% off) I got one last week for my LCR.
I doubt its Awesome mate as i don't think its how they do business, most likely a dodgey press release from SFS without fully considering who it affects.
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