Cam was about 375 plus vat VW
Tappets 17 each plus vat VW
cam bearings 40 ish INA engineering
oil and filter £50
About 800 plus labour
a sick PD150 ?
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Cam was about 375 plus vat VW
Tappets 17 each plus vat VW
cam bearings 40 ish INA engineering
oil and filter £50
About 800 plus labour
You say it clears itself sometimes?
You will know whats needed whent he rocker comes off.
If you are handy with your tools get the sump off too, I had to replace my cam etc due to somebody stripping the threads on the sump plug before I got my car, some of the turnings from the helicoil partially blocked my pick up strainer.
May be an injector or the harness inside the head?
You will know whats needed whent he rocker comes off.
If you are handy with your tools get the sump off too, I had to replace my cam etc due to somebody stripping the threads on the sump plug before I got my car, some of the turnings from the helicoil partially blocked my pick up strainer.
May be an injector or the harness inside the head?
A £1300 fix eh?
Now you've got me worried.
Should've bought a 130TDI! The amount of cash I've thrown at my FR TDI so far if the cam goes I'm gonna break it for bits
Now you've got me worried.
Should've bought a 130TDI! The amount of cash I've thrown at my FR TDI so far if the cam goes I'm gonna break it for bits
A £1300 fix eh?
Now you've got me worried.
Should've bought a 130TDI! The amount of cash I've thrown at my FR TDI so far if the cam goes I'm gonna break it for bits
From what iv read it can happen on any PD engine, the thinking is that the cam lobes are smaller to allow room for the extra injector cam, smaller cam (on the exhaust side i think) results in greater pressure due to less surface area, which can lead to wear.
Has you car got full service history? With the correct pd grade oil used?
150TDI seems to be more susceptible for some reason. Higher injection pressures maybe?
Mine has FSH, correct oil changes and 59k miles so hopefully some way to go yet before the cam wears out....
Mine has FSH, correct oil changes and 59k miles so hopefully some way to go yet before the cam wears out....
Cylinder heads, cams and injectors on the 130 and 150 are identical, and cams fail with the same symptoms on both engines
In any case, the PD cam lobes have a roller cam-follower to reduce wear, given that the injection ramp is very steep. It's the exhaust cam lobes and followers that seem to fail first, perhaps because the exhaust valve opening ramp is steeper than the one for inlet valve.
The inlet and exhaust cam lobes are narrower because they have to make space for the PD lobe as well.
The later, 2.0 diesels have a completely different head, with two camshafts and four valves, all with roller rockers.
In any case, the PD cam lobes have a roller cam-follower to reduce wear, given that the injection ramp is very steep. It's the exhaust cam lobes and followers that seem to fail first, perhaps because the exhaust valve opening ramp is steeper than the one for inlet valve.
The inlet and exhaust cam lobes are narrower because they have to make space for the PD lobe as well.
The later, 2.0 diesels have a completely different head, with two camshafts and four valves, all with roller rockers.
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I haven't got the exact cost of parts and labour to hand, but it cost me £700 ish last year to have the cam, lifters and something else which I don't remember replaced. (also did the belt even though it had only done 8000 miles)
I expect you could get the lot done for less depending where you are, I paid essex independant garage labour costs and I know there are plenty of places that are cheaper.
I expect you could get the lot done for less depending where you are, I paid essex independant garage labour costs and I know there are plenty of places that are cheaper.
Mutley, the 130 injectors are different to 150, the 130's dont work on a 150 pd, been there and tried it!
150 pd cam also different profile to the 130
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Really? I apologise for giving out wrong info then. The part numbers on the Russian etka-copies were the same for ARL and ASZ, the PD150 and 130 engines.
Really? Which engines (codes) are you talking about? The ASZ, ARL and BPX all share injectors and camshaft all EU3 spec engines, the newer revision EU4 130/160pd have slightly different injectors.
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If you fit 130 injectors to a 150 ecu you will find the car starts and runs form cold.
When its hot and you switch off, it wont re-start, try as much as you like!
Let it cool down and it starts again.
I have been there and done this, scratched my head over it for a day, then took the 150 injectors out of my old 150 cylinder head (which I had fooked by my own mistake) and fitted them to the second hand 130 cylinder head that I purchased and hey presto everything fine!
Forgive me on this and not suggesting anybody has said anything wrong, but I find the best advice always comes from those that have done swaps etc and found out little things that do or dont work. You cant always rely on part numbers which seem to be the same for 130/150 etc. When I bought my new cam from VW, they told me there were different part numbers for the 130 and 150 cam, yet I would of at the time expected them to be the same. Even had advice on here telling me they were!
Oh well we all love our Leons petrol or diesel !
When its hot and you switch off, it wont re-start, try as much as you like!
Let it cool down and it starts again.
I have been there and done this, scratched my head over it for a day, then took the 150 injectors out of my old 150 cylinder head (which I had fooked by my own mistake) and fitted them to the second hand 130 cylinder head that I purchased and hey presto everything fine!
Forgive me on this and not suggesting anybody has said anything wrong, but I find the best advice always comes from those that have done swaps etc and found out little things that do or dont work. You cant always rely on part numbers which seem to be the same for 130/150 etc. When I bought my new cam from VW, they told me there were different part numbers for the 130 and 150 cam, yet I would of at the time expected them to be the same. Even had advice on here telling me they were!
Oh well we all love our Leons petrol or diesel !
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I agree with you that experience counts, but sometimes you need to realise your own experiences may form an incorrect conclusion. I've done the same on several occassions, and my experiences have proved different. ASZ, ARL and BPX share injectors and camshaft, this is also true when looking at the injection duration, start of injection and BIP maps in the software, they are all relevant to the unit injectors. The part No's are also the same.
The BLT (PD130) and BUK (PD160) injectors have slightly smaller plungers in the injectors, and again the software reflects this and so do the part No's.
Anyway, I'm not starting an argument by any means. So if you're adamant this is incorrect, we'll agree to disagree
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Well I can only go by what happened in my pd150 cupra.........
the 130 injectors didnt work!!!!!!!!! my car was fine when I put the 150 injectors back in!
Without starting an arguement, what would your explanation for this be?
I am totally open to being wrong sometimes!
Then again my car was mapped, perhaps thats why they didnt work properly????????
the 130 injectors didnt work!!!!!!!!! my car was fine when I put the 150 injectors back in!
Without starting an arguement, what would your explanation for this be?
I am totally open to being wrong sometimes!
Then again my car was mapped, perhaps thats why they didnt work properly????????
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Maybe a failure in the seals, a bit of wear in the seats, hard to say to be honest. You sure these were ASZ injectors not BLT injectors which need to open for longer to inject the same amount of fuel?
Sorry to go off topic.
To me that sounds feasible, and would explain why once it warmed up it didn't work properly. The timing would've been incorrect for the the fuel mass injected. You didn't happen to record part numbers did you?
Yes, these should've been the correct injectors then and yes, should definitely be ASZ. The BLT first appeared in the FR's. In this case I'm unsure where the problem was, unless there was a fault somewhere. I've fitted PD130 ASZ injectors to a PD160 BPX, and PD150 injectors to an PD130 ASZ with no such problems, and used the PD130 ASZ injectors on a BUK engine as well and modified the software to suite.
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Perhaps ARL injectors work in an ASZ code but not the other way around??
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