Loba 4xx Hybrid turbo

[RobH]

As I won't upgrading to the TT-RS anytime soon... I'll go from K04 to this Turbo when it's out and stay with stock internals (BWA)

When you say you'll stay with the internals, is that after you've cleaned them up off the floor?

Tbh its still "only" running 360lbft so with that map you may be ok.

I think they will get more from it with a bespoke map and steve's talking about direct port WMI aswell.

 

[Poverty]

Just compared this to a gt2871 dyno sheet. Interesting indeed

 

[cheungy]

When you say you'll stay with the internals, is that after you've cleaned them up off the floor?

Tbh its still "only" running 360lbft so with that map you may be ok.

I think they will get more from it with a bespoke map and steve's talking about direct port WMI aswell.

To be honest, saving the money now and more than likely aim to upgrade the internals and swap out my old camshaft A to the newer B before I start switching the Turbos over. (No rush!)

 

[robdf2]

Just compared this to a gt2871 dyno sheet. Interesting indeed

how does this statement help?

spill the beans Pov

 

[Al]

Anthony37 claims 420bhp on his K04 2.0T with WMI and similar torque figures - although probably a different plot. Pretty sure it showed 407bhp on Sitechs rollers too.

"Assuming" for a second his claimed figures are comparable and real, is this turbo really worth the money its likely to cost over the K04 considering it would need the in tank pump, RS4 injectors and the turbo itself (probably circa £5k all in).

 

[cheungy]

Anthony37 claims 420bhp on his K04 2.0T with WMI and similar torque figures - although probably a different plot. Pretty sure it showed 407bhp on Sitechs rollers too.

"Assuming" for a second his claimed figures are comparable and real, is this turbo really worth the money its likely to cost over the K04 considering it would need the in tank pump, RS4 injectors and the turbo itself (probably circa £5k all in).

Over 400 with the K04? is it still alive...I know of a TFSI Sport with K04 + WMI (snow performance stage2) = 370-380BHP on dyno.

 

[Poverty]

how does this statement help?

spill the beans Pov

Well it's pretty much identical to a gt28 power curve. The gt28 has a little more puff high rpm but nothing major.

The Loba hasn't got a optimised map yet though, but then again it was using wmi whilst the gt28 graph wasn't.

In the end of it all I think it's gonna be very similar.

However saying all this I don't think gt2871 turbos are gonna be a popular upgrade much longer, as the new GTX2761 will make more power and have less lag.

So all in all this Loba turbo will have its place in the market and the big turbo will still too.

Everyone living in harmony in the quest for more.

 

[Poverty]

Anthony37 claims 420bhp on his K04 2.0T with WMI and similar torque figures - although probably a different plot. Pretty sure it showed 407bhp on Sitechs rollers too.

"Assuming" for a second his claimed figures are comparable and real, is this turbo really worth the money its likely to cost over the K04 considering it would need the in tank pump, RS4 injectors and the turbo itself (probably circa £5k all in).

420 on stock k04 with just additional WMI? Timing been knocked right up when dynod?

 

[Al]

Probably it has been wound all the way on, yeah. Not a set up I would want although the car feels strong when you get a run in it.

Interesting that the map Statllers car is not running an optimised map - I guess the key word there is "optimised" though

 

[belfastchris45]

That graph looks very interesting exactly what im looking for. Nice smooth torqe curve and high BHP. What sort of price are we talking for loba and the other turbo's. Ball park number

 

[Deleted member 53697]

The three biggest selling points that will dictate the success of this solution are going to be:

* That it can deliver a solid 420bhp on even the most conservative rolling road without running meth.
* That it is considerably cheaper to buy than a full big turbo kit.
* That it is easier to fit than a full big turbo kit i.e. old turbo (and manifold) off, new turbo (and manifold) on.

What do you guys think?

 

[Al]

Not sure how its going to be cheaper to be honest. Looking at the price of the turbo's, and going by whats written, it will probably be the thick end of £3k for the turbo. Then you have the injectors and fitting costs plus the map and you havent touched the engine yet.

 

[Deleted member 53697]

I must be missing something here... it is ultimately an OEM K04 turbo and manifold that has had a lot of work done to it and lots of parts replaced right? Your saying that's gonna be more than £2500?

Unless I am seriously missing something I can't see the value over a proper big turbo kit with one of the GTX series turbos...

 

[robdf2]

The three biggest selling points that will dictate the success of this solution are going to be:

* That it can deliver a solid 420bhp on even the most conservative rolling road without running meth.
* That it is considerably cheaper to buy than a full big turbo kit.
* That it is easier to fit than a full big turbo kit i.e. old turbo (and manifold) off, new turbo (and manifold) on.

What do you guys think?

I think the price is going to be the number one pat
It needs to be on a good comparrisson to the already established upgrades or it won't get a look in.
I also think the need or not need for internals is also going to pay a big part of the selling attraction.
If its as good as it says I think it would be more suited to the 4wd variants instead of the 2wd variants but that's just my view

 

[Poverty]

To go BT without internals is roughly 4.5k, if you have the rest of the stage 2 plus stuff already

 

[belfastchris45]

4.5k plus say 2-2.5k that has already been spent to get to stage2+. On top of say 15-20 grand cupra. For 420-440 I suppose it decent value. But with Evo,s being so cheap and a simple remap could get you to that, in saying all that. I do prefer the Leon to the Evo.

 

[Deleted member 53697]

Servicing and running costs of an Evo should never be forgotten as they are FAR greater than anything 2.0TFSI. Plus there's the stigma attached of driving an "Eeeeeevvvoooooooo" (in Jeremy Clarkson piss taking voice) lol

 

[AndrewJB]

4.5k plus say 2-2.5k that has already been spent to get to stage2+. On top of say 15-20 grand cupra. For 420-440 I suppose it decent value. But with Evo,s being so cheap and a simple remap could get you to that, in saying all that. I do prefer the Leon to the Evo.

thing is though anybody can buy an EVO and map it, its boring


Leon with 400+bhp though isnt an everyday thing, its unusual

 

[belfastchris45]

thing is though anybody can buy an EVO and map it, its boring


Leon with 400+bhp though isnt an everyday thing, its unusual

This is true. And I'm all for it. Money sitting waiting for the turbo. BUT. Mine already spins in 3rd. I just wonder how manageable this power will be. It's all well and good talking pub figures but if you can't actually put it down, a stage 2+ may actually be quicker to 60-70. All depends how the map goes. I watch and hope

 

[Poverty]

Evos aren't as reliable once tuned as people think either. Everyone I know of with one says they require a fair bit of TLC. Plus they are also a bit of a cereal box car.

4wd conversion on a Cupra is about 2k.