Loba 4xx Hybrid turbo

[invisiblekid]

WMI is a different deal though - this turbo could be used in addition to WMI

That's what I'm thinking, but on the Golf R. While Revo & Loba are working on a map to get the traction down, I think I'd want AWD.

450 is easily achievable with WMI and the Loba. I mean WMI can just be used to keep things clean and cooler rather than tuning specially for it, but switchable maps like GIAC & APR would also make running Pump and Race files (utilising WMI for gains) possible.

I think the head on these engines would perhaps need doing. Head bolts also. If you're gonna spend £3k on the turbo, injectors? and a specific map (after already spending up to £5k getting to Stage 2+ with handling mods) to run almost 2x the original output, then strengthening internals has to be a consideration when budgeting.

 

[cheungy]

Which is where that BHS or the revo throttle pipe comes into play

Without spending additional monies...tap it to existing throttle body pipe (silicon) if not completely replace pipe

PS seen the the photos JC of your Cupra and the Times (fair play! looking great mate!)

 

[jc_boc]

LOL, thanks mate, could have been better I reckon if it were much drier and I had a few more runs.

 

[Poverty]

Would I run 400hp with this turbo on a stock motor? yes well id do the ARP bolts and thats it.

At 400hp it would be a nice drive, with the turbo not being stressed at all. However you would be nowhere near the turbos potential.

I cant wait to see the power curves of this turbo tbh.

Rods and pistons, 1k
Headbolts 250
Labour, 600-800?
Injectors 300
intank pump 260

so about 2.5k to run turbo at its full potential of way over 400hp

 

[cheungy]

Would I run 400hp with this turbo on a stock motor? yes well id do the ARP bolts and thats it.

At 400hp it would be a nice drive, with the turbo not being stressed at all. However you would be nowhere near the turbos potential.

I cant wait to see the power curves of this turbo tbh.

Rods and pistons, 1k
Headbolts 250
Labour, 600-800?
Injectors 300
intank pump 260

so about 2.5k to run turbo at its full potential of way over 400hp

Cost of the Turbo etc too matey but yea still pretty good - Turbo swapping wasn't too hard providing you had tools... not sure If I want to tackle doing the Rod's & Piston's though...

 

[DanGB]

450hp on a BWJ, no need to do the rods and pistons, just dont get silly with the torque.
The BWA pistons are good for over 500, and the BWJ pistons are better.
The BWA rods are cast and good for 390, and the BWJ's are forged and good for way more.

 

[belfastchris45]

450hp on a BWJ, no need to do the rods and pistons, just dont get silly with the torque.
The BWA pistons are good for over 500, and the BWJ pistons are better.
The BWA rods are cast and good for 390, and the BWJ's are forged and good for way more.

Which engine is the pre FL cupra ?

 

[Al]

BWJ

Facelift Cupra and Cupra R engine is CDL

 

[belfastchris45]

BWJ

Facelift Cupra and Cupra R engine is CDL

Cheers Al. In this case I will watch this closely. The cost of a new turbo I can justify. But not full engine rebuild, so if the pistons and rods are good for 450 then I would be every interested

 

[RobH]

Out of interest, hypothetically, if you were to go for one of these turbos and you wanted to make the engine suitable to take it and remain safe and reliable too, which engine mods would you lot consider as "necessary" and which mods as "ideal"?

Spoke to a few tuners now and ARP headstuds are a must and just dont go mental with the torque, As long as the map is good and your not pulling mental timing pull your not going to melt anything. This engine with the ARP studs can handle 450lbfts. Ive never herd of a ko4 engine throwing a rod, ever.

Having an injector fail or a seal on a hpfp is just unlucky. Look after the engine ie wait till its warmed up and give it 2 oil changes a year you'll be fine.

I am going to fit the ARP headstuds very soon even if i stay at stage 2+. If you look closely around where the headgasket is nearly all these engine on 2+ leak a little bit due to the standard oe studs stretching the more so the more miles you've done.

ARP studs, new headgasket and a loba organic clutch kit are going on mine next month. The studs are just for piece of mind.... simples and there not expensive!

 

[Cupra R]

Have you a fitted cost for the head studs Rob?

 

[RobH]

Not yet but the studs are £186inc vat and the headgasket is less than £100 so even if it takes 4 hours its still less than £500 and your engine is alot stronger.

The bolts are 1000% stronger than oem ones

When steve gets me a price for the clutch ill ask him if its a big job and ill let you know.

 

[belfastchris45]

I would be happy with 450bhp and 400lbs never mind 450lbs. Clutch is already in and good enough to take the abuse, head studs would be the only other thing i need

 

[Poverty]

Unoptimised GIAC map with manual boost controller

 

[Al]

Any supporting mods?

 

[Poverty]

Any supporting mods?

Statlers car.

Golf ED 30 2007 DSG
LOBA LO4XX turbocharger
VF 3 inch intake with cold feed
RS4 injectors
Walbro intank lift pump
RS4 fuel return valve
3 inch turbo back de-cat exhaust
THS intercooler
Plasma coil packs
Statller choice of plugs
BSH hard intake and discharge pipe
Water meth injection 500hp jet
DSG stage 4 custom map with LSD
Toyo 888 tyres

 

[Al]

Ah water methanol too. Wonder if that was used on that run? Also interesting they used a GIAC file as they had another one ready to go too.

 

[Poverty]

Id assume they did by the way they worded it.

 

[wild willy]

Thats one great torque curve. Almost too good to be true. Looks like you can have your cake and eat it.

 

[cheungy]

As I won't upgrading to the TT-RS anytime soon... I'll go from K04 to this Turbo when it's out and stay with stock internals (BWA)