I must admit I have just ordered an Abarth 600e Competizione 280 in white for late Sept - two year private lease deals on them are just too good to miss (3+23 @ £226 6K) scratches my itch for a proper electric hot hatch. Still love the Raval, but don't want to buy blind without comparing trims and colour in the flesh. I also love the ID Polo GTi and want to compare both properly as and when discounts to kick in. Also now changing jobs, so I cannot use car scheme but get a car allowance. I may well look to use the car scheme with my new employer when the Abarth comes to an end either for a Raval or ID Polo GTI.

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I must admit I have just ordered an Abarth 600e Competizione 280 in white for late Sept - two year private lease deals on them are just too good to miss (3+23 @ £226 6K) scratches my itch for a proper electric hot hatch. Still love the Raval, but don't want to buy blind without comparing trims and colour in the flesh. I also love the ID Polo GTi and want to compare both properly as and when discounts to kick in. Also now changing jobs, so I cannot use car scheme but get a car allowance. I may well look to use the car scheme with my new employer when the Abarth comes to an end either for a Raval or ID Polo GTI.

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I’m with you on not buying a completely new model of car ā€˜blind’ - it’s not something I’d do.

I do quite like the Abarth and IMHO it looks good in white. I also like the fact that it’s not another unnecessarily oversized SUV. It made me smile to see that Abarth has given it ā€˜eyelids’ on the headlights to add some character to its ā€˜face’.

I look forward to hearing how get on with it once you’ve taken delivery later in the year.
 
I’m with you on not buying a completely new model of car ā€˜blind’ - it’s not something I’d do.

I do quite like the Abarth and IMHO it looks good in white. I also like the fact that it’s not another unnecessarily oversized SUV. It made me smile to see that Abarth has given it ā€˜eyelids’ on the headlights to add some character to its ā€˜face’.

I look forward to hearing how get on with it once you’ve taken delivery later in the year.

Thanks, yes the Raval looks very colour sensitive, not sure if white even suites it, same with the interior especially the seats and how they look and feel. Whilst a bit plasticky interior wise (part Jeep Avenger) the electric bucket seats are amazing and the steering wheel feels really special. It is more hatch then SUV being based on the FIAT 600e but lowered 25 mm.

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This is a question about range if Cupra quote a 280miles is that from 100% to 0% watching many car reviews online the car journalists always quote charging times from 10-80%, I'm assuming this is for battery health, but this will also mean the range is 30% less or am I missing something ?
 
This is a question about range if Cupra quote a 280miles is that from 100% to 0% watching many car reviews online the car journalists always quote charging times from 10-80%, I'm assuming this is for battery health, but this will also mean the range is 30% less or am I missing something ?
Yes that is 0-100% as the battery will have an additional buffer so 0 is not totally flat. Raval is 52kWh usuable and 56kWh total.
 
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I was initally not considering Matrix LEDs at all being a 900€ option if speccing my own car (VZ model) but I now saw there's another option here for the VZ model only, the "Rebel Pack" that includes:

- Matrix LEDs
- Smartlight 2.0 interior lights
- Electric adjusted front seats with memory settings for driver seat
- Lumbar adjustment support
- Mirror memory settings
This for an extra 1300€

However I also want to pick the Light & Sound pack which costs only 410€ instead of 950€ when also picking Rebel Pack as it also includes Smartlight 2.0 so basically it's 410€ for the upgraded Sennheiser sound system if picking both these options.

So this means I could get the Matrix LEDs + the lumbar support adjustment and driver seat & mirror memory feature for an extra 760€ with this config that is only available with the VZ model instead of just separately paying 900€ for only the Matrix LED option as a standalone add-on.

I'm a bit 50/50 if I should get the Rebel Pack or not for the Matrix LEDs in particular as I have no experience of Matrix LEDs previously either so I'm worried whether I'd find the constantly adapting light distracting or not. I don't really drive a lot in the dark or outside town for that matter so not sure how much extra it's going to be worth paying for Matrix LEDs for me. If I was regularly driving outside town in the dark I would likely do it but it's quite seldom. But for 760€ I feel it's quite little extra to pay for Matrix LEDs and lumbar support adjustment and memory driver seat settings (don't likely going to need the last one, maybe could use two different settings in case of an adult has to sit right behind me or not like I did with my Mazda 3 that also had memory seats).

What would you do, pay the extra 760€ or not, I'm pretty 50/50 on this one, the total sum for my own specced VZ model is already getting in the upper-end of what feels reasonable for this car (we're talking like ~37.800 eur before this option without including winter tires which is going to be like 2500€) but then again I didn't buy this car as a penny pinching smaller car but because it offers the stuff I specifically look for and maybe 760€ extra isn't really much to ponder about in the grand scheme of things...
 
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I always splash the cash to get it fully specified. Depends how long you are going to keep it. If its like the Ateca at launch the options soon disappeared so any replacement car you couldn't buy the stuff.

I likely will keep it like 4-5 years only.
 
I likely will keep it like 4-5 years only.
If you dont buy all the trimmings it may grind on what you may have missed out on, on that 5 year period especially if they start fitting things by default. Ateca they took away the superior mib2 high as an option subsequently you could only get that on the Cupra. Panoramic roof they did tricks on. So Cupra may filter up options now that you can't get in the future. Candy floss offer or ice cream sundy. The VZ marketing lift those desirable items into the next bracket. Goes both ways some may become regular in future models whilst other optional luxuries get removed from the price list. May be they use this for test marketing. Ie how many people really need two keys etc. With "tribe" marketing you take your punishment as customers 🤭.
 
Just found this online re the size, still waiting to see one in the flesh but I think it might be too small for me.
 

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Just found this online re the size, still waiting to see one in the flesh but I think it might be too small for me.

More important is how they've used the space, it's one of the big pro for Cupra Raval / VW Polo for how much rear seat leg & head and thrunk space it has for its size (compact EV size segment leaders safe to say), seems to compete with some mid-size cars here which is probably thanks to being FWD and having pretty extended wheel axel.

Versus my Mazda 3 2020 Hatchback for example which isn't known for neither thrunk or boot space the Cupra beats it in terms of boot space with up to 441 l vs 358 and rear seat space seems to be at least similar (based on checking nearly every review ahead of Mazda 3 launch and also checking nearly every Raval review, both seems to be able to take roughly up to 2x ~185 cm tall adults in the back before head or legs hit the roof/front seats) but Mazda 3 hatchback is also 4460 mm long vs the significantly (40 cm) shorter Cupra, if it wasn't for this I wouldn't even have considered a Raval, I was initially going for a mid-size car as I didn't want a more cramped rear seat space than what I currently have but thanks to good use of interior space, the MEB+ platform became an alternative. Then it obviously helps it does offer a lot more besides that that fits into personal tastes...
 
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Just found this online re the size, still waiting to see one in the flesh but I think it might be too small for me.

More important is how they've used the space

^^This.

@ian_106 - I don’t think you shouldn’t write it off based solely on its external dimensions. As you’ve suggested, it would be a sensible move to wait to see one in the metal so you can try it for size.
 
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I was initally not considering Matrix LEDs at all being a 900€ option if speccing my own car (VZ model) but I now saw there's another option here for the VZ model only, the "Rebel Pack" that includes:

- Matrix LEDs
- Smartlight 2.0 interior lights
- Electric adjusted front seats with memory settings for driver seat
- Lumbar adjustment support
- Mirror memory settings
This for an extra 1300€

However I also want to pick the Light & Sound pack which costs only 410€ instead of 950€ when also picking Rebel Pack as it also includes Smartlight 2.0 so basically it's 410€ for the upgraded Sennheiser sound system if picking both these options.

So this means I could get the Matrix LEDs + the lumbar support adjustment and driver seat & mirror memory feature for an extra 760€ with this config that is only available with the VZ model instead of just separately paying 900€ for only the Matrix LED option as a standalone add-on.

I'm a bit 50/50 if I should get the Rebel Pack or not for the Matrix LEDs in particular as I have no experience of Matrix LEDs previously either so I'm worried whether I'd find the constantly adapting light distracting or not. I don't really drive a lot in the dark or outside town for that matter so not sure how much extra it's going to be worth paying for Matrix LEDs for me. If I was regularly driving outside town in the dark I would likely do it but it's quite seldom. But for 760€ I feel it's quite little extra to pay for Matrix LEDs and lumbar support adjustment and memory driver seat settings (don't likely going to need the last one, maybe could use two different settings in case of an adult has to sit right behind me or not like I did with my Mazda 3 that also had memory seats).

What would you do, pay the extra 760€ or not, I'm pretty 50/50 on this one, the total sum for my own specced VZ model is already getting in the upper-end of what feels reasonable for this car (we're talking like ~37.800 eur before this option without including winter tires which is going to be like 2500€) but then again I didn't buy this car as a penny pinching smaller car but because it offers the stuff I specifically look for and maybe 760€ extra isn't really much to ponder about in the grand scheme of things...

In the end I decided to go for it, maybe would have regret my decision afterwards otherwise. The Matrix LEDs should be able to be manually operated too if for whatever reason I don't like them (which I don't see why not but you never know until you've tried) and the electronic driver seat might have the Easy Entry function too from Born (wasn't 100% sure but I didn't ask him to find out as it's just a very minor thing).
 
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One of my local dealers is getting a demo car (LHD) on the 3rd July.

Here in Finland the situation is quite poor, there's one official Cupra dealer and there's like only ONE demo car provided to the country that circles around the various dealership places. So if you want to be among the first to recieve it, you just have to buy blindly without seeing one in person or drive several hundred kilometers just to see the demo car if you live in the wrong part of Finland. šŸ˜‚

Luckily this isn't my first blind purchase though, my Mazda 3 HB 2020 MT also was but at least I had checked like every review there was of it so I knew probably more about the car than the dealer itself, I was like yea, no need to explain things about the car, just let's do the paperwork and I'll drive home with this thing, fortunately the driving feel and car was exactly to my liking and it was a good purchase. We'll see how it turns out with Raval, the interior design isn't 100% to my taste but I can live with it. I've already extracted a lot from the Cupra Raval reviews in terms of driving feel versus alternative options and Raval just seems to tick my personal boxes best, not just from this size segment but more generally seems to very well match preferences especially with VZ and being able to adjust DCC, range was borderline acceptable for what I was looking for, was looking for a 440~460 km or so minimum WLTP car as this won't be my 2nd but my only car (could borrow my parents Nissan Qashqai but I don't think that would ever happen eitherway, the driving feel is just so bad on those I feel like wanting to jump out of the car asap :p)

Honda Civic 1.8 sport 2007 that was my first "proper" car also had very nicely matching driving feel, it was particularly firm ride (some guys hated that, I loved it) which didn't disturb me at all, it gave a very planted feel on the road which I loved, bet this Raval will be very similar if set to Cupra (or higher) stiffness suspension setting and the handling is also on the heavier side in Cupra setting so will be interesting to see if I prefer that or the medium setting, my Mazda 3 has a particularly heavy steering (probably similar to Cupra setting), Civic had slightly lighter (probably similar to medium would be my guess) that I generally preferred. Both cars have a very linear breaking curve so you could press a little bit and it will just slow down and have to press down further to actually stop, I hate some cars that have particularly grabby brakes that only needs little bit pressing and the curve goes like exponentially up, doesn't seem like Cupra Raval falls into that category thanks to having proper disc brakes on all wheels so theoretically probably Raval fits my braking feel preference even better than the expensier Born too.
 
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The seats look very comfortable as well if that's the model I was looking at in the video last night. I guess the only unknown is whether the Android Automotive OS has any surprises but you'll have to keep at them if it does. Software update-able over the air so you might get a few updates initially.