1.2TSI DIY Oil change

[medview]

Hi All
My 1.2TSI is up to 6500 miles now and the oil is going quite dark. I don't want to wait another 12 months for the dealer to change the oil, I want to do it myself in Autumn this year.

My question is; has anyone done their own oil change on a 1.2TSI?
I'm concerned about any traps/pitfalls.

I'm aware of the risks associated with over filling; I won't. I plan to drain the oil from underneath and replace the oil filter after its drained out. I will use a VW 507.00 oil.

Is there anything else I should know?

Joe.

 

[m0rk]

Oil goes dark, don't stress it.

Save your money... but I'm not sure why you'd wait "another" 12 months, surely you'll get it done 12 months since it was last done, or another 4500 miles?

 

[medview]

The car is an the long life service schedule, it decides when the oil change is necessary and that's presently predicted to be 12 months away.

I subscribe to the theory that changing the oil every 12 months is sensible to minimise wear, especially in a new 61 car. Dark oil is a compromised lubricant.

I posted for tips/advise, not critisism.


Joe

 

[NetworkMan]

I will use a VW 507.00 oil.

No!! 504.00 for a petrol car on long life service.

Please can you give me the technical reference that's telling you that the colour is an indication of the condition of the oil. As an engineer I'm just curious.

 

[medview]

504.00 is the minimum standard for petrol long life, 507 is still better for petrol, especially if it doesn't cost significantly more. Viscosity is unchanged.

I've read extensively about the virtues of synthetic oils however one thing that still builds up is contaminants, and that is the main reason for dark colour in synthetic oil.
I can't quote a specific article.

We're off subject here, I want to know if anyone knows the pitfalls/traps in a DIY 1.2TSI oil change. Surely it can hurt to remove the running-in metal shavings ect.


Joe

 

[NetworkMan]

507 is still better for petrol, especially if it doesn't cost significantly more

Where on earth did you get this idea from? 507.00 is a specification for diesel engines. Read your handbook. I have never ever seen this oil being recomended for petrol engines.

Some oil may meet both 504.00 and 507.00 but that's not the issue.

Surely it can hurt to remove the running-in metal shavings ect.

Of course not, the debate is about whether or not it's a waste of time and money.

 

[sly200sx]

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I posted for tips/advise, not critisism.


Joe

What a grumpy bugger

 

[DEAN0]

What a grumpy bugger

I guess tips/advise that don't agree with his ideas are critisism

 

[G.P]

Where on earth did you get this idea from? 507.00 is a specification for diesel engines. Read your handbook. I have never ever seen this oil being recomended for petrol engines.

The 507.00 is in the Ibiza 1.2 tsi handbook.

Might be in my wife's 1.4 petrol Ibiza book also, but not sure without looking. .

 

[NetworkMan]

It's in my handbook too, but it's a generic handbook, and this oil is stated as being for diesel engines.

 

[G.P]

It's in my handbook too, but it's a generic handbook, and this oil is stated as being for diesel engines.

Lister's Seat are putting the 507 into petrol's. .

 

[DEAN0]

It's in my handbook too, but it's a generic handbook, and this oil is stated as being for diesel engines.

Diesel oil in a petrol is no problem - it is designed for more intensive use.

Quite a few motorcycle riders use diesel oil in their bikes cos its much cheaper than bike specific oil.

The problem comes when people use petrol specific oils in diesel engines. The petrol engine oils are not designed for dealing with ash or the higher loadings of a diesel engine and break down quickly.

Looks like VW have decided to go with one specific oil across as many engines as possible.

 

[sly200sx]

All is quiet, hope he's not upset...

 

[BaldyDave]

Well it can't hurt to change the oil more often than necessary. I'd just recommend that the OP doesn't over-fill the engine and use the recommended spec of oil for his car as stated in the handbook. Should be an easy job once you've got to the sump drain plug.

This debate of how often to change engine oil has been going on for as long as I can remember (and that's a LONGGGG time!) and I'm sure it'll continue that way for a good time yet. My view is the synthetic engine oils are less prone to degradation than than conventional oil so probably don't need changed more often. I don't bother changing the engine oil in my car early and just get it done when the service interval is due, but to be honest that's partially due to economics! lol However I do respect the OP's opinion, even though he was a tad curt!

 

[sly200sx]

However I do respect the OP's opinion, even though he was a tad curt!

A tad? lol, Curt with an r u say?

Joking apart, his issue is irrelevant IMO. I would never mess about changing oil myself on a new car that was under warranty. I'd follow the service intervals and who cares what colour it is, or if there is shards of metal in the oil, thats what the filter is for.
By the time any long term damage, if any, is done it will be owned by someone else...

On saying all that, mine is still golden as i have to check it weekly and usually top it up with a good glug cause its used it all lol.
New rings monday tho....;-)

 

[abbotsmike]

Jeez, OP, never own a diesel. The you could change the oil, run it for ten minutes and drain it, and it would still be pretty dark. Whilst colour is an indicator, it's not really a precise one...

 

[Ben-ibizaFR]

What happens if you over fill ?

 

[adambolus]

My question is if you know so.much about oil and seem a smart person. Why are you asking tips on changing oil?

You remove the under trim if it is blocking the sump plug. Undo the plug drain the oil. Refit and fill up.
Nothing complicated no hidden catches.

Personally if the seat handbook says change the oil every 10k or 12 months I would follow that.
However if you feel you want to.change the oil early do it.

 

[DEAN0]

Personally if the seat handbook says change the oil every 10k or 12 months I would follow that.

I'm with you on this one.

The only thing i do more regular than the book suggests is the oil filter.
I change the oil filter every 5000 miles in order to make sure the oil in there stays as clean as it can. For me it is worth the £6 extra for the filter.

 

[DEAN0]

What happens if you over fill ?

Depending how good the crank case breathers are on the engine you may cause too much pressure and start blowing seals.
You might also lift the oil level to a point where the crankshaft is thrashing around in it and causing bubbles.