1.5 tsi, any progress?

[Tester01]

They would have to be very scummy to find evidence of scored bores on the boscope and then decline the warranty (as long as you have warranty!).
What warranty do you have? Presume it is fully serviced?
Does it use much oil?
My father-in-law's 1.5 DADA TRoc used to use a bit of oil, but he changed from the 508 0W20 to the 504 5W30 which apparently has cured his oil consumption.

Interesting post from here:

https://www.atecaforums.co.uk/threads/1-5-dada-engine-failure.6055/

Yeah I found that thread yesterday and was reading it.
Would be very shitty if they declined a new engine.

This video seems to explain my issue from what I understand.

This was the facebook page of garage in Poland that seems to commonly encounter these issues.
DADA engine also
I've got the same tapping issue also - which dealer picked up on.
Car sounds like a diesel

59.165 Aufrufe · 179 Reaktionen | Passat B8 1.5 tsi 150km na przetarte cylindry i słyszalny piston slap😉 | JB VAG AUTO

Passat B8 1.5 tsi 150km na przetarte cylindry i słyszalny piston slap😉

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Yeah its fully serviced kept up with that, its due another service next month again.

It does use quite a bit of oil which we saw from the oil test
After PCV was changed i got the check oil light.
Topped it up and did an oil consumption test after 600 miles and thats when they found this issue as the cause.
Not sure of exact figures but Im going to ask if I get copy of all the dealers findings just for my records.

I had All in One Service + Warranty then due to car being over 6 years when it ran out November last year.
I couldnt get the all in one again, so just got the Extended Warranty Plus, which I believe is equivalent to the warranty cover I had with the all in on plan.

SEAT Extended Warranty

Is your existing warranty about to expire? Is your SEAT or CUPRA out of warranty? Our 12-month policy offers the reassurance that, should a covered component suffer sudden and unexpected failure, you’ll be insured.

insurewithseat.vwfs.co.uk

However its only valid until 60k miles, im at 52k ish - I dont believe the warranty under all in one had this restriction.
Which is also why im trying to be more aggressive in getting to bottom of whatever this issue.

Tip: (I found this out too late)
If your car is between 3-6 years and you have All in one and approaching the 6 years old mark.
Cancel all in before your cars officially 6 years old and one repurchase it this will give you an additional 2 years of all in one.

These guys have been quite helpful and have made more progress in last 2-3 months vs last 3 years with Lookers.
Just wish I came here earlier.

Warranty claim got updated this morning now back with Seat, so hopefully I'll get the outcome we want.
Thanks to you and others in this thread for all your help in trying to figure out my issues.
Ofc fuel issues still exist but hopefully if I do get a new engine then that'll be a thing of the past.

Will keep you updated.

 

[SuperV8]

Seems good to me - just pay the excess, and they should sort the engine.

I noticed the 1.4 EA211 has cast iron liners - and the new 1.5 EA211EVO has liners which are coated using the atmospheric plasma spray process (APS) I thought - aha, maybe this could be the problem - but then this link suggests this is a good process, which seems like the same process Porsche use on their 'better/newer' engines to fix common scored bore issues on their old Lokasil and Alusil blocks.

Which Porsche models do not suffer from cylinder bore scoring? - LN Engineering

Introduction: The Evolution of Porsche Cylinder Bores Bore scoring has become a well-known Achilles’ heel in certain generations of Porsche engines, particularly those utilizing Lokasil and Alusil high-silicon aluminum block technologies. These early lightweight designs offered performance...

lnengineering.com

I would get your injectors tested as well, as a poor injector can hose off the oil film on your cylinder wall - destroying your fancy liner/piston.

 

[Tester01]

Seems good to me - just pay the excess, and they should sort the engine.

I noticed the 1.4 EA211 has cast iron liners - and the new 1.5 EA211EVO has liners which are coated using the atmospheric plasma spray process (APS) I thought - aha, maybe this could be the problem - but then this link suggests this is a good process, which seems like the same process Porsche use on their 'better/newer' engines to fix common scored bore issues on their old Lokasil and Alusil blocks.

Which Porsche models do not suffer from cylinder bore scoring? - LN Engineering

Introduction: The Evolution of Porsche Cylinder Bores Bore scoring has become a well-known Achilles’ heel in certain generations of Porsche engines, particularly those utilizing Lokasil and Alusil high-silicon aluminum block technologies. These early lightweight designs offered performance...

lnengineering.com

I would get your injectors tested as well, as a poor injector can hose off the oil film on your cylinder wall - destroying your fancy liner/piston.

Do you know where I could get injectors tested?

I looked at some place where they would test and ultrasonicaly clean it, considered getting it done.

I’ve seen someone on Facebook where you remove them send them to them and they’ll clean them

As I have done the usual fuel system cleaning projects from - STP, Cataclean, Wynns to heavy hitters like Redline SI-1 multiple times.
Think at this point only one I’ve not tried is BG44K which I nearly bought a few months back.



I did pull some data via OBD yesterday for injectors

I mean if i do get a whole new engine injectors should be replaced.
But i believe they could also just replace the long block and such injectors etc will remain the same.

 

[RUM4MO]

These 1.5TSI EVO engines do now seem to be catching the attention of some respected VAG Indie workshops, which is a bit worrying, with thoughts of the 0W-20 oil causing early "life usage" of the lower end bearing shells - which is not replaceable as far as VW Group are concerned as removal of the crankshaft will result in block distortion. None of this is what I'd expect to hear about newer and so hopefully improved versions of the EA211 family of engines. Many of the engine issues raised on these VAG forums are not getting verified by respected VAG Indie workshops - but this DADA one seems to be an exception, very worrying! I'd hope to be down sizing to one car from two, and this engine size in its 150PS guise would also suit my needs - but do I really need possible/probable trouble, I think not.
Perhaps I'll keep quiet about this as my mate is on his second T-Roc with a DADA - so far so good, plus maybe his servicing garage used sensible oil and now out of warranty he is also using something like 5W-30 to the correct VAG spec. My little chat concerning the Pug 205 that his daughter in law bought used, that has a BIO cambelt eventually lead to it getting disposed off before causing any trouble - and completing that disposing was not quite as easy as he had anticipated and a lot of money was "dropped".

 

[SuperV8]

Do you know where I could get injectors tested?

I looked at some place where they would test and ultrasonicaly clean it, considered getting it done.

I’ve seen someone on Facebook where you remove them send them to them and they’ll clean them

As I have done the usual fuel system cleaning projects from - STP, Cataclean, Wynns to heavy hitters like Redline SI-1 multiple times.
Think at this point only one I’ve not tried is BG44K which I nearly bought a few months back.



I did pull some data via OBD yesterday for injectors
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I mean if i do get a whole new engine injectors should be replaced.
But i believe they could also just replace the long block and such injectors etc will remain the same.

You'd need to go to a GDI fuel specialist, to put them on a test rig to check their spray pattern.
I would find one who specialises in the GDI system on your car? like Bosch, Conti, Delphi, Denso etc...
I don't know what values on your high pressure valve adapted value to expect - but they are all positive which is positive!

I would expect them to evaluate the root cause of your supposed engine failure (though with a tapping noise, high oil consumption, and scored bore i'm sure the engine has effectively failed)
Hopefully you get a new full engine, but in the event they just replace the short block - I would request /expect a full test of the fuel injectors.

 

[Tester01]

You'd need to go to a GDI fuel specialist, to put them on a test rig to check their spray pattern.
I would find one who specialises in the GDI system on your car? like Bosch, Conti, Delphi, Denso etc...
I don't know what values on your high pressure valve adapted value to expect - but they are all positive which is positive!

I would expect them to evaluate the root cause of your supposed engine failure (though with a tapping noise, high oil consumption, and scored bore i'm sure the engine has effectively failed)
Hopefully you get a new full engine, but in the event they just replace the short block - I would request /expect a full test of the fuel injectors.

So got my decision from warranty

Warranty have come back to say they want the engine stripping down, pistons removing etc.
For further video evidence and tech commentary.
They weren't satisfied with what they saw from the Boroscope.

Basically 14 hours work of labour time I've been quoted.
Warranty said they would pay half of this.
Which would cost me £1000.

Then if all that's done and Seat turn around and decline the request.
The gentleman here said I'm going to need a new engine anyway as it cant be put back together.
Meaning if the above happens I've got have pay for a new engine + labour all out of my own pocket, just to get it back on the road.

So realistically my options are:
- Keep the car and put up with the fuelling issues and oil issues.
Which is quite frankly driving me mad with the price of petrol going up too.

- Sell or trade in and spend on a new car
Which I really wanted to avoid and likely wont be doing anytime soon.

Im not really willing to risk paying £1000 for engine removal for them to turn around and say nope.
Resulting in no car until I fork out for a new engine.

So angry and frustrated at the whole thing but not a lot I can do really other than above.
Not gonna be able to convince warranty otherwise so yeah I guess if anyones in the market for a VAG car with 1.5 DADA engine avoid...

 

[SuperV8]

What a joke!
So what is the warranty/insurance for - if not to cover the failure of major components!
I would be speaking with an Ombudsman.
Do you have images of the boroscope?

£250 excess - but no mention of paying half the bill!

 

[SuperV8]

These 1.5TSI EVO engines do now seem to be catching the attention of some respected VAG Indie workshops, which is a bit worrying, with thoughts of the 0W-20 oil causing early "life usage" of the lower end bearing shells - which is not replaceable as far as VW Group are concerned as removal of the crankshaft will result in block distortion. None of this is what I'd expect to hear about newer and so hopefully improved versions of the EA211 family of engines. Many of the engine issues raised on these VAG forums are not getting verified by respected VAG Indie workshops - but this DADA one seems to be an exception, very worrying! I'd hope to be down sizing to one car from two, and this engine size in its 150PS guise would also suit my needs - but do I really need possible/probable trouble, I think not.
Perhaps I'll keep quiet about this as my mate is on his second T-Roc with a DADA - so far so good, plus maybe his servicing garage used sensible oil and now out of warranty he is also using something like 5W-30 to the correct VAG spec. My little chat concerning the Pug 205 that his daughter in law bought used, that has a BIO cambelt eventually lead to it getting disposed off before causing any trouble - and completing that disposing was not quite as easy as he had anticipated and a lot of money was "dropped".

The trouble is - even a car with 'full dealer service history' doesn't mean the car has been well looked after!
All manufactures (not just VAG) have schedule guidance which should be read before selecting the suitable service schedule - which no one seems to know about or read!
It says for the operating conditions below - they are classed as 'severe use' and service intervals will be shorter, and I think we can agree most cars usage would fit into some of these categories!

 

[Tester01]

What a joke!
So what is the warranty/insurance for - if not to cover the failure of major components!
I would be speaking with an Ombudsman.
Do you have images of the boroscope?

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£250 excess - but no mention of paying half the bill!
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I don’t have the images.

I’m going to ring the dealer tomorrow see if I can get this for my records.
I’m not sure if I rang warranty directly they’d give me why they’ve received

I tried to get a copy of the email response to the bore scope submission. But dealer said they couldn’t but he had printed it off to show me.

Wish I took a picture of the email.

But yeah I’m frustrated.

Just don’t understand how Seat can put me in a situation where if I pay £1000 to get the engine removed and inspected further.

If they decide decline, I am left with the only option of having to pay full price for an engine and pay to get it refitted.

As the existing one can’t put me back in due to being taken apart.

So we do all this, you decline now I’m left with what a 10k billl?

As the car is now completely useless without having an engine in, not like I can just drive it away after their decision.

Like does this sound sensible and even a viable option? Unless I’m missing something.

Getting annoyed writing this

Man I dunno if I’d have a good case for the Ombudsmen or even contact seat filing and filing a complaint.
But guess it’s worth a try at this point - just ****** up, their options to continue investigation into this just isn’t realistic.

 

[James_R]

Pm me your VIN number and I'll look into the matter.

 

[Tester01]

Pm me your VIN number and I'll look into the matter.

Done