2.0 TFSI LOBA SMF/SACHS Clutch Kit Review

duncinascoob

Active Member
Jun 28, 2010
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Scotland
My car is making 360bhp 350ft/lbs on APR Stage 1+ so thats pretty much average Stage 2+ power.
Its fine so far.

I'm planning to go Stage 2+ at some point so will find out how it deals with more.
Have all the parts sat in the garage, just need time to fit them and get the software changed.
 

LeonCR

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Oct 22, 2009
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My car is making 360bhp 350ft/lbs on APR Stage 1+ so thats pretty much average Stage 2+ power.
Its fine so far.

I'm planning to go Stage 2+ at some point so will find out how it deals with more.
Have all the parts sat in the garage, just need time to fit them and get the software changed.

you will gain a chunk more torque at stage 2+
 

duncinascoob

Active Member
Jun 28, 2010
158
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Scotland
I hope so :) Although it did make very good power on Stage 1+ so I'm not expecting miracles on its next stage. But for the price of the downpipe, fuel rail pressure sensor and a couple other bits I wanted to fit I though why not :)

As for dark side - thats cheaper than I was quoted for the exact same parts I got from Samtech or I would have gone with that!! Are you sure that includes VAT?

From memory it was more expensive by the time I added the release bearing (+/- £45) and shipping £25 from dark side. I'm sure the total was ~£600
 

Stylance

Stylance
Apr 6, 2011
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Ashford kent
SACHS/LOBA SMF Clutch Kit – 2.0 TFSI



SEAT Leon Cupra Stage 2+



I’ve had the kit fitted for over 5k miles now so I thought I’d do a review of how it’s been so far.



My clutch needed replacing because it had just started to slip and I wanted to get it sorted before it caused me any issues. The car had done 30k miles.



I spent quite a bit of time trying to find a kit that fitted all of my requirements as close as possible, which was OEM feel, useable on a daily basis, no rattling/excess mechanical noise and capable of handling the up-rated power of the re-mapped car. I considered a few of the big name kits, speaking with suppliers, specialist garages and various forum users to help make my decision.



My research had told me that to retain as close to OEM feel the best solution was to re-install a OEM DMF and up-rated clutch kit. However I’d also found that there were a few issues surrounding clutch failure on the TFSI standard and modified cars that pointed to DMF failure as the cause.



I made a decision to go for the LOBA Single Mass Fly/Sachs kit based on other user’s feedback and research. I also received some great advice from Simon at LOBA, who responded quickly and honestly to my many e-mails. Plus helpful advice from AMD Technik (Essex) who luckily for me were a stockist of the LOBA/Sachs kit.



Following the removal the fault was down to a dual mass flywheel failure.



The First 500 Miles

When I first picked the car up I noticed straight away that the clutch pedal was heavier than standard, but not as much as I was expecting. Some increase in clutch pedal feel and pressure was expected with an up-rated kit. The initial feel of the clutch engaging was a bit more aggressive but feeling positive in its operation.



I had to get used to the biting point of the new clutch when setting off as you need to adjust to the different feel of the kit. In essence you need to give higher revs when engaging the clutch.



Noise wise there is a very slight sound of the flywheel when the car is idling or when you lift off the clutch and coast under engine load. But compared to others that I’ve heard it is hardly noticeable. I’m a pretty fussy customer and I can easily live with this on a daily basis. You get a slight increase in noise from the SMF on idle if you have the A/C switched on.



The only downside to the kit was the smell of clutch that you initially get when setting off and worse when reversing, this was something that worried me but was advised that it would stop after approx. 300 – 500 miles of use, which it did.





500 – 5k Miles

Having been driving the car for a while with the kit fitted I am really pleased that I chose it. Now that the kit has bedded, in nicely it is great to drive on a daily basis and it’s not far off of OEM feel.



Don’t get me wrong the pedal is still heavier than standard but you do get used to this early on, also the slight mechanical noise is still there but as I said before its not too intrusive.



The kit so far has coped well with the up-rated power, providing smooth gear changes and easy operation.



As a compromise between fitting and up-rated kit to your modified TFSI and retaining a useable clutch that doesn’t spoil the every day use of your car, the LOBA SMF/Sachs kit is a great choice.


Please can you upload a video of the SMF noise from around the bonnet?

Thanks


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AlexK1

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Apr 20, 2014
545
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Poole
Just fitted mine this morning, still in the clutch bedding in phase so can't give it too much throttle yet. Clutch feels much more positive, can definitely feel that it's going to give a good clamping force.

Will update after I've done a few hundred miles. The standard dual mass flywheel was shot, too much rotational movement so likely the cause of the clutch slip!


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AlexK1

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Apr 20, 2014
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AlexK1

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Apr 20, 2014
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It's the Sachs organic clutch, rated to at least 400lbft of torque so more than enough :)


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AlexK1

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Apr 20, 2014
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I got mine with the loba single mass flywheel as pictured above. Didn't want to put a dual mass flywheel in and have it fail again.

I spoke to Kris at samtech, it was £860 for the lot


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Jul 6, 2013
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West Yorkshire
Cool I thought it looked like a single mass flywheel but wasn't 100%. Will you let us know how you get on with the high rev gear changes as I hear about problems with them. What's the noise like from it as I heard they was a little louder than the standard flywheel, and most importantly would the women get on with it?
 

AlexK1

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Apr 20, 2014
545
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Poole
Well so far the clutch pedal is a bit stiffer but not to a point where it couldn't be used daily by a woman. I've heard the chatter noise and to be honest if you have the radio on it's not noticeable, it's only on high rpm overrun or a small bit on acceleration.

The high rpm gear shift I can't comment on yet as haven't taken it up that high, but with the paperwork I got it said the 02M gearboxes are affected. There was no mention of the 02Q gearboxes that are fitted in the mk2 Leon cupras


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firestorm

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Jun 28, 2004
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Are there any other downsides to the SMF, apart from a little noise and slightly heavier clutch action ?
What about longevity ?
More vibrations ?
Easier to stall?
 
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